Speculation: Vegas stockpiling Dmen at the draft

[Halla]

I think Vegas will select 12-13 dmen at the draft, fully intending to
move a few of them for assets. I know the leafs would be very interested in a top 4 dman, and vegas could conceivably end up with about 6-7 top 4 guys.

which dmen do you think vegas ends up taking, and which guys end up being flipped for picks/prospects?

My list (bolded as trade bait)

Josh Manson
Josh Gorges
Ville Pokka
Jack Johnson
Alex Petrovic
Marco Scandella
Ryan Pulock
Kevin Klein
Marc Methot
Derrick Pouliot
Paul Martin
Dmitry Orlov

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[Ezpz]

Kronwall has negative value. He won't be claimed in the draft. LV aren't going to need to take anyone's cap dumps.

 

[Halla]

Kronwall has negative value. He won't be claimed in the draft. LV aren't going to need to take anyone's cap dumps.

yeah im gonna change that. I think they take Sheahan or maybe helm

 

[Stuzchuk]

I think that if they pick Methot they will keep him... their first Captain

 

[Halla]

I think that if they pick Methot they will keep him... their first Captain

the only way they dont pick methot is if bobby ryan is exposed.
Methot could probably bring back a nice return, and vegas will have a lot of good defenseman to choose from. they will probably ice 6 top-4 dmen, none of which are top pairing guys

 

[Paradise*]

I think Minnesota exposes 2 of Brodin, Scandella and Spurgeon. They'll still keep 4 top 4 D, while protecting their needed F.

I also doubt Pulock is available. He'll be protected over De Hann IMO. They'll problem go 8 -1.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Las Vegas should take Clendening from NYR. Much younger than Klein and is a very good puckmover, skater etc

 

[Halla]

Las Vegas should take Clendening from NYR. Much younger than Klein and is a very good puckmover, skater etc

you really think they take a guy thats been with 5 NHL organizations already over a solid 18-20min 2nd pairing guy they could flip for a 2nd+ good prospect?

 

[WesMcCauley]

you really think they take a guy thats been with 5 NHL organizations already over a solid 18-20min 2nd pairing guy they could flip for a 2nd+ good prospect?

Clendening is the better player right now imo and Klein is a solid player. If AV actually used Clendening instead of Girardi our defense would be pretty solid. He can move the puck, good skater and lead the league in cf% before he got scratched for Girardi...
I would prefer losing Klein because of age and him beeing a UFA after next season. i 100% believe that Clendening right now is a decent top 4 and a very good bottom pair defensemen.

 

[BondraTime]

the only way they dont pick methot is if bobby ryan is exposed.
Methot could probably bring back a nice return, and vegas will have a lot of good defenseman to choose from. they will probably ice 6 top-4 dmen, none of which are top pairing guys

Which is impossible

 

[JuniorNelson]

After reading hundreds of pages, including historical reference, IMO the Las Vegas team will have no useable centers. They will need to trade or sign FAs. If amassing defensemen helps, all good.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

After reading hundreds of pages, including historical reference, IMO the Las Vegas team will have no useable centers. They will need to trade or sign FAs. If amassing defensemen helps, all good.

When I did a mock expansion draft I found I got a pretty decent amount of quality centers, obviously no 1st liners, but quality 3rd liners or ones who are 2nd/3rd line tweeners. Quality d-men were definitely the easiest to come by though, in doing my mock up I did find myself trying to make the best team, but I suspect Vegas might side more towards youth then I did getting the higher value asset over the better player.

 

[ThatGuy22]

After reading hundreds of pages, including historical reference, IMO the Las Vegas team will have no useable centers. They will need to trade or sign FAs. If amassing defensemen helps, all good.

It'll be interesting to watch Eric Staal and what happens to him. Center market is going to be very weak, and I think part of the reason the Wild signed him was to expose him at expansion in hopes that the weak C market and comparatively Strong D market would cause Vegas to pick him. Obviously contigent on him rebounding a little bit to the 45 point range with his sweet heart contract.

Thus far, he's been nothing short of fantastic, and on a 70 point pace. If he can maintain that even a little and clear 60, I'd suspect the Wild's plans have changed and they will resign themselves to losing a D.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Wouldn't be surprised at all if they took Brandon Davidson from Edmonton. We likely won't be able to protect him with Sekera, Klefbom, Larsson all already being protected unless we opt for the 4-4-1 model.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Kronwall has negative value. He won't be claimed in the draft. LV aren't going to need to take anyone's cap dumps.

Agree Kronwall would be the last person Vegas would ever claim. If left unprotected more then likely it would either be Sheahan or Helm.

 

[islesfan3913]

Pulock is exempt from the draft.

 

[WhatWhat]

Pulock is exempt from the draft.

Isnt this his 3rd year pro? Which means he would not be exempt

 

[Gliff]

I think Vegas will select 12-13 dmen at the draft, fully intending to
move a few of them for assets. I know the leafs would be very interested in a top 4 dman, and vegas could conceivably end up with about 6-7 top 4 guys.

which dmen do you think vegas ends up taking, and which guys end up being flipped for picks/prospects?

My list (bolded as trade bait)

Josh Manson
Josh Gorges
Ville Pokka
Jack Johnson
Alex Petrovic
Marco Scandella
Ryan Pulock
Kevin Klein
Marc Methot
Derrick Pouliot
Paul Martin
Dmitry Orlov

My hope is the Ducks trade Vatanen and keep Lindholm Fowler and Manson.

 

[projexns]

Isnt this his 3rd year pro? Which means he would not be exempt

According to the OP of this thread, you are correct:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2087763


One thing I don't understand. Vegas has to draft 30 players but they only need 23 for their NHL roster.

Would the extra seven players have to clear waivers before being sent to the minors? The team also needs the beginnings of an AHL team.

The way I'm understanding things is that 1st and 2nd-year pros THIS YEAR are exempt from the draft which means 3rd-year pros THIS YEAR will not be exempt, but by next year they would be 4th-year pros and thus have to clear waivers before being assigned to the AHL.

How is Vegas supposed to build a farm club if seven of their picks will already be exposed to waivers when their season starts?

 

[WhatWhat]

According to the OP of this thread, you are correct:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2087763


One thing I don't understand. Vegas has to draft 30 players but they only need 23 for their NHL roster.

Would the extra seven players have to clear waivers before being sent to the minors? The team also needs the beginnings of an AHL team.

The way I'm understanding things is that 1st and 2nd-year pros THIS YEAR are exempt from the draft which means 3rd-year pros THIS YEAR will not be exempt, but by next year they would be 4th-year pros and thus have to clear waivers before being assigned to the AHL.

How is Vegas supposed to build a farm club if seven of their picks will already be exposed to waivers when their season starts?

Maybe they just get a free pass to waive guys they picked in the draft.

 

[Brodeur]

One thing I don't understand. Vegas has to draft 30 players but they only need 23 for their NHL roster.

I'd be surprised if Vegas drafted 30 guys and intended to keep all 30. I'm sure there will be side deals. As others have stated, Vegas will probably be able to get a decent stockpile of defensemen but there won't be much available in terms of top-6 caliber forwards.

They can probably move some of the excess D for draft picks and then spin those picks for forwards (or trade them directly for forwards).

How is Vegas supposed to build a farm club if seven of their picks will already be exposed to waivers when their season starts?

Vegas' 1st year AHL team will probably be weaker, but they'll be aggressive in signing NCAA/CHL/European free agents. One selling point they'll have is 'a path of least resistance' to reach the big leagues. Most of these guys have to sign two way ELCs, so they could view signing with Vegas as the quickest way to the NHL.

There's been recent news that the KHL is thinking about contracting a couple teams. So you might have some North American guys looking to come back to the AHL. Plus with each draft class, teams tend to cut ties with a few draft picks to make room for new ones turning pro. I'm sure Vegas can attract some veteran AHLers who might have a shot at cracking the NHL roster.

And there might be side deals in place where Vegas agrees not to pick somebody and in return gets a prospect. The Kings didn't want to lose one of their top 2 goalies or a defenseman in 1998, so they shipped a young Kimmo Timonen to Nashville. The Predators agreed to take the Kings #3 goalie as a result (by those expansion rules, the Kings were then exempt from losing a goalie in the 1999 Expansion Draft).

 

[Pancakes Pancakes]

Which is impossible

With his permission he could be exposed.

 

[Puck Handler]

It's my first post here, I wish you'll enjoy it/them, it's been a while that I read the topics without replying, the day has come!

I see that Jack Johnson won't be protected by the CBJ (they'll protect David Savard instead I guess), in this case, can Montreal make an offer to aquire JJ? We know the Habs are looking for a top 4 and JJ would be a good fit next to Weber, doesn't he?

Something like that:

To MTL:
Jack Jonhson
Boone Jenner

To CBJ:
Max Pacioretty
Nathan Beaulieu
David Desharnais

What do you guys think? CBJ would have 1 million under cap after this trade!

 

[m302291]

Pouliot will not be left exposed.

If the current trend on PIT's D continues then Maatta will be moved for futures or as a plus with Fleury to get a better return and Pouliot will be protected.

 

[Pirate King Luffy]

It's my first post here, I wish you'll enjoy it/them, it's been a while that I read the topics without replying, the day has come!

I see that Jack Johnson won't be protected by the CBJ (they'll protect David Savard instead I guess), in this case, can Montreal make an offer to aquire JJ? We know the Habs are looking for a top 4 and JJ would be a good fit next to Weber, doesn't he?

Something like that:

To MTL:
Jack Jonhson
Boone Jenner

To CBJ:
Max Pacioretty
Nathan Beaulieu
David Desharnais

What do you guys think? CBJ would have 1 million under cap after this trade!

Montreal passes.