To be honest, Vatanen is solid, he does take some risks and at times it doesn't pay off, but he's our defensemen by far, like it's not even remotely close.Gardiner definitely gets his points but man his defensive game is worthy for me. Seen it for too many years I guess. Don't know much about Vatanen tbh, but he can't be worse than Jake can he? Ducks fans? Devils fans?