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You are right. And? You didnt answer the question.JasonMacIsaac said:Drop they all had him ranked inside the top 20.
Osullivan was rated #1 -3 to start the year.
You are right. And? You didnt answer the question.JasonMacIsaac said:Drop they all had him ranked inside the top 20.
JasonMacIsaac said:Stop acting like an ignorant fool, I never said I can predict the future but I can read into the present adn tell you whats wrong with his game. Work ethic, Skating, play away from the puck. I never liked this pick from the start.
Work ethic, Skating, play away from the puck.
Actually, he dropped around 15 spots from where he was projected to go at the beginning of the year to the end of the year. And the reason on why he dropped was more a factor of his percieved poor attitude than anything else. He got into a battle with his coach which furthur made people leery of his him.JasonMacIsaac said:O sullivan droped like 10 places becasue he got injured and didn't improve on his point totals as a rookie.
You dont get it ,do you?JasonMacIsaac said:Yes I do, why was Brendl ranked so high, everyone knew about his attitude. The most talented are on top and hard workers are on bottom.
JasonMacIsaac said:The only way Vanek becomes a star is if his coach lets him go all out offense and forget about his defensive habbits or is he improves his defense and work ethic. He is a fans best friend but a coaches nightmare.
JasonMacIsaac said:The only way Vanek becomes a star is if his coach lets him go all out offense and forget about his defensive habbits or is he improves his defense and work ethic. He is a fans best friend but a coaches nightmare.
JasonMacIsaac said:Stop acting like an ignorant fool, I never said I can predict the future but I can read into the present adn tell you whats wrong with his game. Work ethic, Skating, play away from the puck. I never liked this pick from the start.
Do you have any factual proof that other teams didn't rank him high? Unless you do what you just said is irrelevant.JasonMacIsaac said:How many NHL scouts had him ranked that high, maybe most would have him outside the top ten (where I think he should have been) Buffalo is one team and maybe thewy see something other can't but buffalo has a poor record at the draft table also.
He does not have a bad attitude infact judging from one of his predraft interviews he sounds like a great kid, but he tends to be lazy in games sometimes and doesn't show the same work ethic as other prospects.kasper11 said:Can somebody explain to me why it seems to be common knowledge that Vanek has a bad attitude/work ethic? This is a kid who left home as a teenager to play hockey, and who's coach has done nothing but praise him.
How is it irrevelvant when he was picked 5th overall by an NHL team.JasonMacIsaac said:Its also irrelevant that ppl say all nhl teams had him in their top 10. I just don't think he will be good in the NHL.
Stick that right next to Crosby leading Team Canada aat the WJC in scoring.
Because when you say that scouts or scouting centers dont take into consideration work ethic or attitude, this clearly indicates that you dont have a clue on this issue.JasonMacIsaac said:I am able to knock who I please, I have opinions, most of you are taking them too much to heart also. Why are mine treated any diffenent then some other poster.
Man, you are thick. Of course players drop & others move up., all for a variety of reasons. One of your initial idiotic points was "All scouting centers focus only on skills, talent and potential. They don't care about work ethic or attitude...".JasonMacIsaac said:It clearly does, I gave you plenty of players who were high in rankings but droped in draft becasue of attitude and work ethic problems. It seems the majority of the posters mad are buffalo fans too so I don't care, I'm done with this thread, All I am doing is going over the same stuff.
kasper11 said:So, obviously you know more than EVERY professional scout that had Vanek rated well above Brown and Nilsson?
JasonMacIsaac said:I linked the bad attitude with lazy play. Like I said earlyer, if you play lazy you arn't listening to the coach, that IMO is a bad attitude.
JasonMacIsaac said:They arn't good thoughts, all they keep saying is he doesn't skate hard and is scared of body contact. There is another reason why I think he won't make well in the NHL. Poor defensivly, bad work ethic, scared to use his body lol
JasonMacIsaac said:They arn't good thoughts, all they keep saying is he doesn't skate hard and is scared of body contact. There is another reason why I think he won't make well in the NHL. Poor defensivly, bad work ethic, scared to use his body lol
JasonMacIsaac said:No I'l pick a team of hard workers, wait thats the New Jersey Devils.
JasonMacIsaac said:Ever time I seen him he seemed to be very very tentative useing his body in any situation, he do3es't want to pay the price to get the puck. When he gets the puck he is ok, Idon't want a shinny player on my team. Maybe with Satan and Drury that may work.
Jim Bob said:We all know how great Elias and Gomez are on the forecheck........
Jim Bob said:Where does it say he's scared to use his body?
Have you even watched him play? Every time I've seen Vanek play he's been a player, much like Jagr, that uses his body to keep control of the puck rather than as a crash and bang forechecker.
He goes into traffic and in front of the net to make plays. It's not like he's a soft player that shys away from contact and refuses to take a hit to make a play.
He's not a guy that works hard on the forecheck. So freaking what. If the Sabres were using him as a crash and bang forechecking winger they'd be wasting his talent.
It would be like asking Marian Hossa to be a checking line winger that only concentrates on shutting down the other team's top line.