Vanek will not sign here

[borisbadenough]

Very well, using the last 4 years:

Thomas Vanek:

GP: 262
G: 102
A: 130
PTS: 232
+/-: -6

Phil Kessel:

GP: 283
G: 124
A: 148
PTS: 272
+/-: -35

So he beats Kessel on +/- (whoop de doo) LOL

Cherry picking to make your case, huh? Not fair. lol Try not picking the best of Phils seven seasons to make your point. Use career stats? Or maybe Phil has only played four seasons?. Equalize the number of complete seasons/games if you wish. (Vanek has played more seasons than Phil. ) Equalize them .TV has marginally more goals , pts, assists and a marginally better +/- .

When he plays a full season with a real number one play making center on a good team with a pp you are going to be shocked. Take it to the bank. The point.. Most would agree they are equal talents with different games imo .lol (respectfully imo) You can throw Nash in too.

If you still think Phil is much better thats ok too.

Phil is three years younger (big factor).

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/v/vanekth01.html
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kesseph01.html

 

[LyricalLyricist]

We seriously comparing the two? I take kessel every time personally.

 

[dmanfish90]

Cherry picking to make your case, huh? Not fair. lol Career stats. Equalize the number of complete seasons if you wish. Vanek has 8 Phil 7

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/v/vanekth01.html
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kesseph01.html

That's cherry picking because actually, Vanek has 9 and Phil has 7, where the first two of Phil's career he was 18 and Vanek was 22...

Trust me when I say this, Vanek is not better than Kessel in terms of production.

 

[dmanfish90]

Cherry picking to make your case, huh? Not fair. lol Career stats? Or maybe Phil has only played four seasons?. Equalize the number of complete seasons if you wish. Vanek has played 8 seasons Phil 7. Vanek has more goals , pts, assist and a better +/- . Take it to the bank. The point.. They are equal talents.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/v/vanekth01.html
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kesseph01.html

What you should do is compare Kessel's 22-year-old seasons with Vanek's, then 23, etc.

You'll see a big difference.

 

[Hoople]

PricerStopDaPuck is right.

Kessel is better than Vanek. ALL the stats would show it.

Although I do think they are different players, where one is a pure sniper and quicker and the other can snipe, make plays and control the puck much better

We got Kessel?

 

[dmanfish90]

We got Kessel?

LOL wut?

 

[elite1prospects]

who ever wants to talk about and praise Kessel, take it to the main board. This is about the Habs and Vanek

 

[dmanfish90]

who ever wants to talk about and praise Kessel, take it to the main board. This is about the Habs and Vanek

I'm comparing Vanek to other players. Am I not allowed to do that here?

 

[PricePkPatch*]

I'm comparing Vanek to other players. Am I not allowed to do that here?

Comparing salaries does not make sense. Different times, different salary cap.

 

[dmanfish90]

Comparing salaries does not make sense. Different times, different salary cap.

?

One signed their contract 4 months ago, the other is signing theirs in 4 months...

The difference is their age and production.

 

[Shadow Journal]

?

One signed their contract 4 months ago, the other is signing theirs in 4 months...

The difference is their age and production.

Yes, nothing happened in those 4 months to change the expectations for the cap in future seasons. Nothing at all.

 

[dmanfish90]

Yes, nothing happened in those 4 months to change the expectations for the cap in future seasons. Nothing at all.

Pretty sure they knew at the time of Phil Kessel's signing that the cap would go up and by a considerable amount...

edit: NVM. Signed before the season started.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Pretty sure they knew at the time of Phil Kessel's signing that the cap would go up and by a considerable amount...

edit: NVM. Signed before the season started.

And the CAD crashed down, and expected Cap plummeted.

 

[dmanfish90]

And the CAD crashed down, and expected Cap plummeted.

Is that what happened? The Cap was supposed to be a lot higher than 71.1M USD?

 

[Guess]

Ehh.. I was listening to the news and the lady says "After a crazy game, what Thomas Vanek is saying about staying in Montreal". Info coming up soon. Anyone know what it's about?

Ah, so it turns out someone asked him the question and he sighed. lol

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Is that what happened? The Cap was supposed to be a lot higher than 71.1M USD?

Actually, it's been dropped at 68M$

 

[dmanfish90]

Actually, it's been dropped at 68M$

Link? I don't recall hearing that.

 

[PricePkPatch*]

Link? I don't recall hearing that.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24470769/kings-gm-canadian-dollar-will-keep-salary-cap-below-initial-projection

 

[PricePkPatch*]

I really

really

really wanna thank Moen in Glory for the hard work he puts in his craft. He's just awesome on so many level.

I present you his latest work of art:

 

[WolfgangAmadeusEller*]

Can we overpay for a good player please?

 

[Guess]

Actually, it's been dropped at 68M$

Good thing Bergevin hasn't signed Subban yet.

 

[The Real Guy Lafleur]

I'm comparing Vanek to other players. Am I not allowed to do that here?

Vanek moves like molasses. Kessel is like a Tasmanian devil. Enough said.

 

[Alexdaman]

Vanek moves like molasses. Kessel is like a Tasmanian devil. Enough said.

Dont start the old molasses vs tasmanian devils debate, no one wants to go back there except you.

 

[attachetatuque]

I really

really

really wanna thank Moen in Glory for the hard work he puts in his craft. He's just awesome on so many level.

I present you his latest work of art:

no words....

 

[TiCats]

Who cares about Kessel.

I'm still shocked they made the trade in the first place.

I am still super excited, not only because Vanek is a Hab, but because Bergevin made the deal. He really put this team in a position to be successful. Hell, look at the depth chart when healthy. Not bad, alot of options.

Pacioretty Desharnais Vanek
Galchenyuk Eller Gallagher
Briere Plekanec Gionta
Moen Prust Weise
Bournival White Bourque
Parros

Gorges Subban
Markov Emelin
Tinordi Weever
Murray Bouillon
Beaulieu Pateryn