Friedman: Vancouver trying to trade Vincent Desharnais

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Also add: Beauvillier, Pearson, and Dickinson to the list of contracts dumped. Dickinson was the first and only one that had some pain to it, giving up a 2nd straight up with nothing useful back.

It seems unlikely but Allvin is good at this.

Tanner Pearson is useful player. The Canucks traded him after his signing bonus and sent a 3rd the other way. He was traded, because the Canucks needed a goalie.

Beauvillier was an established NHLer, on an expiring contract, who had 28 points in 55 games for the Canucks, but had a history of strong play on the islanders.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Lmao

For fringe guys, there’s no guarantees. Zero. No guarantees you’ll be able to produce the same. No guarantee of health. There isn’t even a guarantee you make the team following year.

The literal smartest thing to do is get that bag if it’s being offered.

Not always. In Vinny's case he was an extremely unique piece in an extremely unique defensive system. With another year of similar results under Knoblauch it would have been much less risky for the Oilers (or other teams) to offer him a 3-4 year deal over the 2 year contract Vancouver ultimately gave him. Plus with the rising cap he would've gotten the same kind of increase anyway even if he'd stayed in the same role.

Now instead of 1-2 years @ $1-$1.5M ($2-3M total) plus let's say $2M x 4 ($8M) for a minimum of $10M in future earnings, he's a healthy scratch with the Canucks already and few teams will be open to taking a risk on him mid-season. He might even end up on waivers if Vancouver can't engineer a trade, so that's 50% of this contract out the window and an even steeper hill to climb next season.

Kostin is in the same boat. Had he stayed in Edmonton and picked up some freebie points from McDrai while remaining a universal fan favorite, the odds he would have signed a longer-term deal this or last summer for similar money as to what SJ gave him a year early would be pretty good. Instead he's a RFA at year's end who likely goes unqualified and either has to go the PTO route or return to Russia.

It's unmitigated greed and guys listening to their agents (who are chasing a commission, duh) over making good decisions for their futures that leads to this kind of thing. I doubt though they will be the last.

 

[Oilslick941611]

And to think Edmonton fans were saying, 15 months ago, that Desharnais made acquiring a guy like Edmundson redundant

VD played really well in Edmonton up to the finals.

He gave us all we needed and was a perfect fit and locker room guy for what he was and at his price.

The contract Vancouver gave him was insane. There was no way he was going to live to up it. During the off season I would have welcomed VD back at 1mil or less.

But there’s a nice long list of Oilers who filled a specific role perfectly but left to chase money and just failed with higher expectations.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

Hopefully Edmonton doesn't entertain the idea.

 

[smytty]

Can Edmonton even get him with retention? I don't think they get get him back on a retained salary for a year after he played for them. Can someone with more cap knowledge clarify?

If it's allowed, I would offer Josh Brown and a C/D prospect for a retained Desharnais. If retention isn't allowed then I don't see a fit.

 

[pth2]

No, it absolutely was a thing. “We got a 1st for Chiarot so we’ll get a 1st for Edmundson” was repeated ad nauseam. Heck, there were plenty of fans who were even claiming Montreal wouldn’t have to retain to get a 1st.

That was a year earlier, when he seemed healthy and was still signed for 1.5 years.

 

[BHD]

Shocking...

 

[Ragdoll]

Anaheim just paid for the privilege of taking Trouba and his 8m cap hit. If there's consistency, Vancouver will get an asset back for Vinny lol

Shame it didn't work out for him in Van, he's an awesome guy. Teammates loved him in Edmonton but he's tall and almost nothing else. His puck skills are almost non existent.

 

[LTIR]

Glad VD got his money.. Would take him back in EDM is 50% retained as depth #7/8 Dman after testing out what we have in Alec Regula.
Regula seem like a VD type player.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Vinny took the security, can’t blame him for that.

 

[PavelBure10]

Canucks got VD and now want it gone, unfortunately I don't think you can get rid of VD.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

Not always. In Vinny's case he was an extremely unique piece in an extremely unique defensive system. With another year of similar results under Knoblauch it would have been much less risky for the Oilers (or other teams) to offer him a 3-4 year deal over the 2 year contract Vancouver ultimately gave him. Plus with the rising cap he would've gotten the same kind of increase anyway even if he'd stayed in the same role.

Now instead of 1-2 years @ $1-$1.5M ($2-3M total) plus let's say $2M x 4 ($8M) for a minimum of $10M in future earnings, he's a healthy scratch with the Canucks already and few teams will be open to taking a risk on him mid-season. He might even end up on waivers if Vancouver can't engineer a trade, so that's 50% of this contract out the window and an even steeper hill to climb next season.

Kostin is in the same boat. Had he stayed in Edmonton and picked up some freebie points from McDrai while remaining a universal fan favorite, the odds he would have signed a longer-term deal this or last summer for similar money as to what SJ gave him a year early would be pretty good. Instead he's a RFA at year's end who likely goes unqualified and either has to go the PTO route or return to Russia.

It's unmitigated greed and guys listening to their agents (who are chasing a commission, duh) over making good decisions for their futures that leads to this kind of thing. I doubt though they will be the last.

This is the correct answer

Guys like holloway, or even broberg...100% go get your money

Vd was a fringe player that found a niche role on the oilers and filled it exactly how they needed, another year with edm would have served his overall career earnings better imo