Proposal: Vancouver-New Jersey

[HugeInTheShire]

10000% highest bidder for sure. But that bid won't be insane if there's no hope of a re-sign.

I think a team would pay a pretty high price for 2 full years of Quinn Hughes even if they're pretty sure he's leaving after.

 

[HellOnIce]

I think a team would pay a pretty high price for 2 full years of Quinn Hughes even if they're pretty sure he's leaving after.

Maybe - it's a weird situation.

 

[Peter Griffin]

They should definitely try to get him early, but they need to do that without offering up Bratt or Nico.

Everybody else is fair game (aside from the Hughes bros obviously).

Nemec + Mercer feels like a decent starting point for the first half of an offer, then add picks / prospects from there. I'd offer up a 50% retained Hamilton or maybe even Siegenthaler as a LHD if that moved the needle.

Nemec+Mercer isn’t anything exciting though that over half the league wouldn’t easily beat for 2 years of a Norris candidate. If I’m Vancouver and I’m shopping Hughes now, I’d be asking for a prospect C with legit 1st line potential as part of any deal.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Nemec+Mercer isn’t anything exciting though that over half the league wouldn’t easily beat for 2 years of a Norris candidate. If I’m Vancouver and I’m shopping Hughes now, I’d be asking for a prospect C with legit 1st line potential as part of any deal.

I'm sure you're right, NJ probably isn't the best trading partner here.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I'm sure you're right, NJ probably isn't the best trading partner here.

I also think there’s zero chance that the Canucks move Hughes this offseason.

 

[Vergil]

Quinn Hughes also sells seats and he also wins you championships.
But you need to wait 2 years, or jump the gun and get him sooner for a price.
That's up to the NJD Managment to see if it's worth it.
Honestly, I would try if I was the NJD, having quinn for an extra 2 years and then 8 after with extension, in his prime, man, that would be special for them.

I definitely agree that Quinn is the kind of guy that will sell you seats and eventually win you championships. But the Devils don't need to give up Hischier to acquire him. I know that's what the Canucks fans think they'll get, but they're in for a rude awakening if they think they'll get a package around him or Bratt. They will get a decent package if they trade him this offseason, but I just don't think the Devils will be pressured to trade for him that quickly.

 

[HellOnIce]

I definitely agree that Quinn is the kind of guy that will sell you seats and eventually win you championships. But the Devils don't need to give up Hischier to acquire him. I know that's what the Canucks fans think they'll get, but they're in for a rude awakening if they think they'll get a package around him or Bratt. They will get a decent package if they trade him this offseason, but I just don't think the Devils will be pressured to trade for him that quickly.

Any team that's going to try and 'rent' him for 2 runs isn't going to give up a major core roster piece to do it. It wouldn't make any sense because you'd be making a mess somewhere else in your lineup.

 

[Canucks LB]

Any team that's going to try and 'rent' him for 2 runs isn't going to give up a major core roster piece to do it. It wouldn't make any sense because you'd be making a mess somewhere else in your lineup.

We have seen teams give up significant assets for one year of a his caliber, let alone two.

He would absolutely get a haul

 

[Canucks LB]

I definitely agree that Quinn is the kind of guy that will sell you seats and eventually win you championships. But the Devils don't need to give up Hischier to acquire him. I know that's what the Canucks fans think they'll get, but they're in for a rude awakening if they think they'll get a package around him or Bratt. They will get a decent package if they trade him this offseason, but I just don't think the Devils will be pressured to trade for him that quickly.

I guess it really depends on how much the New Jersey Devils want to change the lineup this off-season, I doubt Vancouver would move Quinn on unless a centre gets back in the package

 

[Canucks LB]

Quinn isn’t winning any championships if NJ are rolling out Eric Haula as the matchup center. I understand whyVAN would want a player of that level but it just opens a huge hole for NJ for what amounts to a luxury piece.

No, that’s completely fair, which is why I think Vancouver would be probably more inclined to trade him elsewhere, and this is why I believe if you think Quinn is not coming back in a couple years, you have to be proactive this season, he has no trade protection from my understanding, two years of Quinn, Hughes, some team would give a fortune for that.

Not to mention, his cap hit is incredible

 

[HellOnIce]

We have seen teams give up significant assets for one year of a his caliber, let alone two.

He would absolutely get a haul

What is your example historically?

San Jose Sharks made an absolutely shocking trade with the Ottawa Senators. They traded for two-time Norris Trophy winner Erik Karlsson, as well as forward prospect Francis Perron, in exchange for Chris Tierney, Rudolfs Balcers, Dylan Demelo, and former Sharks draft pick Josh Norris, as well as a 2020 unprotected first-round pick.

 

[Fatass]

No, that’s completely fair, which is why I think Vancouver would be probably more inclined to trade him elsewhere, and this is why I believe if you think Quinn is not coming back in a couple years, you have to be proactive this season, he has no trade protection from my understanding, two years of Quinn, Hughes, some team Would give a fortune for that

With Tocchet looking like he’s moving on, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Quinn might be moved. And Allvin would choose the best offer. Devils could make a good offer, but (imo) they’d need to include Heischer to be the best offer.

 

[Canucks LB]

What is your example historically?

Well, technically, the oroginal rantenen trade was a rental.

Also hossa comes to mind

 

[HellOnIce]

Well, technically, the oroginal rantenen trade was a rental.

Also hossa comes to mind

Ratanen - Car tried to sign him repeatedly. And both of these Hossa deals - soooooo different in situations where Heatley pretty much had to leave Atlanta, and Hossa had just signed a 3 year extension. The pittsburgh one is pretty much what the Devils fans have been offering here, if not worse.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

We have seen teams give up significant assets for one year of a his caliber, let alone two.

He would absolutely get a haul

I would expect significant assets for sure, but probably not foundational roster pieces, unless there was some off ice issue. Teams would rightfully be weary about his intention to resign.

 

[Smitty426]

With Tocchet looking like he’s moving on, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that Quinn might be moved. And Allvin would choose the best offer. Devils could make a good offer, but (imo) they’d need to include Heischer to be the best offer.

We will just wait until FA We are not moving NH

 

[Fatass]

We will just wait until FA We are not moving NH

Imagine Quinn traded to the club Tocchet is hired to coach. Rangers? That’s a club that has the assets to keep him long term. Devils would only be one of many bidding in a trade for Quinn. The advertising of having the three brothers would put them on the map in that market. Plus, he’s a brilliant player, of course. Seeing Quinn on the Rangers could be a nightmare scenario for the Devils.
I’m pointing out there are multiple levels to these types of situations. Better (perhaps?) to be 100% certain to get the player, if the opportunity occurs.

 

[Smitty426]

Imagine Quinn traded to the club Tocchet is hired to coach. Rangers? That’s a club that has the assets to keep him long term. Devils would only be one of many bidding in a trade for Quinn. The advertising of having the three brothers would put them on the map in that market. Plus, he’s a brilliant player, of course. Seeing Quinn on the Rangers could be a nightmare scenario for the Devils.
I’m pointing out there are multiple levels to these types of situations. Better (perhaps?) to be 100% certain to get the player, if the opportunity occurs.

Rutherford didnt help his potetianlly looking to move QH to anyone other than Jersey in his comments. Yes he can sign anywhere but you would think its VanCity or Newark (@ least in FA). As a 2 year rental? Sure. Then he is a FA, where's he going?
I see no scenario where Quinn waits until the twilight of his career to plays with Jack and Luke, its a silly thought.

Lastly following your coach or playing with your bros. If it comes down to that (outside of Van) its simple.

 

[dgibb10]

Imagine Quinn traded to the club Tocchet is hired to coach. Rangers? That’s a club that has the assets to keep him long term. Devils would only be one of many bidding in a trade for Quinn. The advertising of having the three brothers would put them on the map in that market. Plus, he’s a brilliant player, of course. Seeing Quinn on the Rangers could be a nightmare scenario for the Devils.
I’m pointing out there are multiple levels to these types of situations. Better (perhaps?) to be 100% certain to get the player, if the opportunity occurs.

Let's assume there's a fair trade.

The value is even to both teams. No net gain

Let's assume there isn't a trade.

Let's NJD has a 50% chance of signing quinn in two years. The net gain is the value of quinn for free *0.5.


The value that NJD wins a trade by has to be greater than the value of a free quinn * the chance he comes.

And then you look at it from a roster perspective.

NJD has a fully built, good dcore, including 3 guys for the future beyond the 6 signed. (9 total).

NJD is currently LACKING centers. They have 2 deemed acceptable under contract for next year, including nico, with questions about haula and the consensus being he should be a 4C if kept at all.

You don't move a Center for a dman in this Scenairo

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That's a lot for a guy whose own President of Hockey Ops apparently believes he's headed to New Jersey one way or another...

 

[Namikaze Minato]

I would expect significant assets for sure, but probably not foundational roster pieces, unless there was some off ice issue. Teams would rightfully be weary about his intention to resign.

Didn't stop SJS from trading a f*** ton for Erik Karlsson when he was a UFA with no contract extension in place... obviously he ended up signing there but it was a trade for a UFA with major pieces going back.

Both of their top 6 centerman are resulting from that trade, directly (Stu) or indirectly (Norris for Cozens)

 

[Hisch13r]

Didn't stop SJS from trading a f*** ton for Erik Karlsson when he was a UFA with no contract extension in place... obviously he ended up signing there but it was a trade for a UFA with major pieces going back.

Both of their top 6 centerman are resulting from that trade, directly (Stu) or indirectly (Norris for Cozens)

Except SJ didn’t trade a f*** ton. They essentially traded a future first that miraculously became the 3rd overall pick, a 19th overall pick from the year prior coming off a solid but not special freshman year, and 2 2nds.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Except SJ didn’t trade a f*** ton. They essentially traded a future first that miraculously became the 3rd overall pick, a 19th overall pick from the year prior coming off a solid but not special freshman year, and 2 2nds.

2020 1st
2021 2nd
2019 2nd
2022 1st Sens receive a 1st round pick from the Sharks (no later than 2022) if Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list) during the 2018-19 season.
didnt come to fruition obviously ^^
Dylan DeMelo
Crhis Tierney
Rudolfs Balcers
Josh Norris

Is a f*** ton for potentially 1 season of a UFA defenceman. I would expect this to be absolutely shit on for a Quinn Hughes trade for 2 seasons of prime top 3 defender in the league who you can now exclusively negotiate with for a new contract and the extra 8th year.


This is not me saying "you have to trade Nico" because I'm not.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Didn't stop SJS from trading a f*** ton for Erik Karlsson when he was a UFA with no contract extension in place... obviously he ended up signing there but it was a trade for a UFA with major pieces going back.

Both of their top 6 centerman are resulting from that trade, directly (Stu) or indirectly (Norris for Cozens)

Yeah they traded a high quantity of assets, but they didn't trade any young core pieces of their current roster.

There's a reason they didn't offer up Hertl, Meier, or Couture in that trade - they were still planning on competing for the foreseeable future.

A trade from NJ for Q Hughes would probably look similar in composition.

 

[HellOnIce]

2020 1st
2021 2nd
2019 2nd
2022 1st Sens receive a 1st round pick from the Sharks (no later than 2022) if Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list) during the 2018-19 season.
didnt come to fruition obviously ^^
Dylan DeMelo
Crhis Tierney
Rudolfs Balcers
Josh Norris

Is a f*** ton for potentially 1 season of a UFA defenceman. I would expect this to be absolutely shit on for a Quinn Hughes trade for 2 seasons of prime top 3 defender in the league who you can now exclusively negotiate with for a new contract and the extra 8th year.


This is not me saying "you have to trade Nico" because I'm not.

I mean this trade is a whole lotta hodge podge. it's volume, not quality. Which is what the NJD side has been saying.