Absolutely not. Hischier is the Devils most important player - yes more important than Jack. There is 0 chance they would gut their center depth by trading him. There is also no reason to believe he’s not going to be extended by any means necessary.
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Absolutely not. Hischier is the Devils most important player - yes more important than Jack. There is 0 chance they would gut their center depth by trading him. There is also no reason to believe he’s not going to be extended by any means necessary.
Hughes, Hughes, Hischier and Bratt aren't going anywhere.
The idea of this sort of trade is you add to the team . Not gut thr center position to add a luxury piece at a position that’s potentially already pretty good. Quinn is obviously a premier player but if he wasn’t brother to Jack and Luke none of this is a discussion. Not that NJ wouldn’t want to add him but the main reason for them to explore this is the familial relationship. Adding Quinn in a couple of years would make some sense when Hamilton is expiring. To add him this summer would require some secondary moves that would be difficult. Beyond that why does everyone assume that Quinn will leave asap? Maybe he agrees to a short extension with Vancouver?
NJ will want a reasonable market contract and whatever that number is NJ will almost certainly say yes. Is it $12 mil per by then? Whatever it is I doubt he completely holds them up. If the top dollar is $12.5 mil per maybe he settles on $12 mil per? He’s a player they will be happy to pay to keep around.
NYVanfan
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Obviously how likely QH is to stay is the biggest factor.
Ideally they firgure that out definitively between now and the next trade deadline.
If he's staying, they give him the bag. If he's going you do max retention and sell him for a fortune to the highest bidder. The hell with giving him to NJ for a discount. If they want him, I'm looking at Hischier and Nemec to start. How many contenders will open the vault for a 90pt Norris Dman in his prime at the deadline at less than $2M, and then less than $4M the following year?
Ideally they firgure that out definitively between now and the next trade deadline.
If he's staying, they give him the bag. If he's going you do max retention and sell him for a fortune to the highest bidder. The hell with giving him to NJ for a discount. If they want him, I'm looking at Hischier and Nemec to start. How many contenders will open the vault for a 90pt Norris Dman in his prime at the deadline at less than $2M, and then less than $4M the following year?
It would be a lot but not the equivalent of a 1C and top D prospect. Those pieces don't get moved. Maybe a D prospect, but a 1C - nah. Why would a contender looking for a Cup trade their 1C? Makes no sense. It's kind of similar to the Erik Karlsson deal from Ottawa, but I wouldn't look at the return if I were you...
NYVanfan
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sure, and norris-winning 90 pt 25 YO dmen dont get moved either, esp not at $2M or $4M .. what are we actually talking about? are you saying Hughes is not worth that package, or he's not worth that to the Devils, who expect to get him at a discount?
all im saying is if he is moving on, I would do whatever I can to make even the 2-year price so appealling contenders would be falling over themselves to pony up. So sure, the Devils can wait 3 years and pay him his 12-14M, maybe watch him win a cup for dirt cheap and maybe decide he likes wherever he is fine. Canucks must maximize return. Last thing in the world i would do is take a premature cheap deal to send him to NJ.
To NJ:
•Quinn Hughes
To VAN:
•Simon Nemec
•Anton Silayev
•1st round pick ‘24
•1st round pick ‘25
•Quinn Hughes
To VAN:
•Simon Nemec
•Anton Silayev
•1st round pick ‘24
•1st round pick ‘25
I think Vancouver keeps him this season. They don’t want to rebuild and teams that will want to add Quinn are almost certainly contending teams. They won’t send back a similar player for the most part. The likely scenario to me is they trade him when he finally commits to not extending in thr summer before his final contact year if they move him at all. If the team is in a playoff spot in his last season they might just keep him and roll the dice. I agree they won’t want to send Quinn to NJ if they can avoid doing that but I’m skeptical a contender gives up a similar foundational piece for him in any event.
All my estimations have been around 12 mill for nico. Out in the future but seems reasonable enough
KovalchukFistPump
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Can someone catch me up here as to why some people are saying it's a foregone conclusion that Quinn Hughes is leaving Vancouver. I know that every other year the team's locker room turns horribly toxic but who's to say they don't become elite next year again and Quinn wins another Norris and wants to stay (if paid like a top player)? Even getting rid of Hamilton and Palat, I don't know if the Devils can afford to pay top of the market to LHughes and Hischier while adding Quinn. I'm assuming here that Quinn and Hischier both ask for like 13M and LHughes signs for 8years 8M this summer.
Also NICO HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE. It's a 10 team no trade and notoriously players put all Canadian teams on their NTC
The Devils will definitely be able to afford it all. The cap will be 113.5 mil the first year of Nico and Quinn's new deals and presumably the cap will be rising every year. Those first 3 years will be fine. After than when you're also going to get Jack onto his next deal then Bratt the following year things will probably get tricky but that 3 year window in particular you should be in prime position to do a ton of damage with that core.
Also in the fantasy reality they move him this summer and were able to unload all of Dougie and Palat's 15 mil and brought in Quinn's 7.85 we'd be in great shape for next year. I imagine Mercer would also be going out so there's another 4 mil out the door. Get Luke at 9 mil and Grits on his ELC and you have your D fully filled out and one of the best D groups in the league if not the best. You have just over 12 mil to work on figuring out the forwards. Ideally to you're looking at a 3C upgrade and a top 6 wing. Then a 4th liner. That's doable. Also should probably dump Haula and use that money on a more reliable 3rd liner or middle 6er. He's annoying because if you could reasonably count on him to be the guy he was at the start of the year and the end of the year I'd have no problem just keeping him.
Then the following year with the cap jumping up another 8.5 mil, us not really having anyone to re-sign besides Grits, and Dillon's protections downgrading to make him movable would put you in a fantastic spot.
This is what a potential lineup for next year could look like with Quinn and no Dougie+Palat. We'd be able to be in incredible shape.
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HugeInTheShire
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This is how everyone should be thinking, sure it sounds a lot like Quinn wants to join his brothers in NJ but that doesn't mean they need to bend to whatever NJ wants to trade for him. While I don't think the Devils would be willing to part with Nico or Bratt for him, there is zero wrong with that being the ask.
If I'm Vancouver and he only has eyes for NJ, I give exactly zero shits and trade him to the highest bidder. They are under no obligation to make him happy if he wants out.
Closest thing is Karlsson- was 28 - but had similar outputs, accolades. And the money doesn't matter, his cap hit is the cap hit.
And it's 2 seasons, not 3.
The most talented player in a deal usually doesn't get you same value coming back. It just doesn't work that way.
There's no discount, but Van has no leverage. How much are teams going to pay for a rental? And that rental gets smaller and smaller the longer Van waits to move him (not to mention risk increases too).
So two years of a great D rental, with no chance of resigning - what's that payment going to be? Not a 1C in return. Couple of good prospects and 2 1sts? That sounds about right to me. Go for volume.
10000% highest bidder for sure. But that bid won't be insane if there's no hope of a re-sign.
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Jack Hughes sells seats.
Nico Hischier wins you championships.
If you ever want to be taken seriously, you NEVER trade Nico Hischier. Unless Colorado lost their minds and offered up Cale Makar. Then I guess you make an exception to the rule.
NYVanfan
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dont know much about silayev, but he's big and fast, high pick last year? we just booted all our Russians though, and then we'd have tons of D prospects
i would expect the pkg in the 5 firsts neighborhood, so this is better
but desperately need a center
i hope he's staying, but if not id prefer to see him play with his brothers, but only if canucks get a great (fair) deal
I don’t think NJ has any C they’d be willing to part with that would be of interest in a deal for Quinn. The OP included Mercer, but he’s a 3rd liner, and I don’t even think he’s a full-time C. Better off with Silayev, imo. I don’t think VAN would do better than this for Quinn if we’re talking about a package.
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Quinn Hughes also sells seats and he also wins you championships.
But you need to wait 2 years, or jump the gun and get him sooner for a price.
That's up to the NJD Managment to see if it's worth it.
Honestly, I would try if I was the NJD, having quinn for an extra 2 years and then 8 after with extension, in his prime, man, that would be special for them.
They should definitely try to get him early, but they need to do that without offering up Bratt or Nico.
Everybody else is fair game (aside from the Hughes bros obviously).
Nemec + Mercer feels like a decent starting point for the first half of an offer, then add picks / prospects from there. I'd offer up a 50% retained Hamilton or maybe even Siegenthaler as a LHD if that moved the needle.
Quinn isn’t winning any championships if NJ are rolling out Eric Haula as the matchup center. I understand whyVAN would want a player of that level but it just opens a huge hole for NJ for what amounts to a luxury piece.
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