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Seras said:
Trading Quinn would be a mistake
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Losing him for nothing would be a bigger mistake. Devils losing Parise and the Kovy for nothing set the franchise back years. The Isles losing Tavares for nothing set them back.

Not saying Vancouver has to trade Quinnfo the Devils but if he’s gonna leave anyway you have to recoup assets. Especially for a team that desperately needs a rebuild.
 
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Jerzey Devil said:
Losing him for nothing would be a bigger mistake. Devils losing Parise and the Kovy for nothing set the franchise back years. The Isles losing Tavares for nothing set them back.

Not saying Vancouver has to trade Quinnfo the Devils but if he’s gonna leave anyway you have to recoup assets. Especially for a team that desperately needs a rebuild.
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Or the other brothers end up in Van. Imo it might not be best for a club to allocate so much cap on these three. Yes, when healthy, Quinn and Jack are fantastic. And Luke is developing but looks to be a good player too. (Lesser than the other two but still a good player)
But with the AAV each will command that’s the 1D and 1C and a highly paid Luke. Lots of minutes for each guy. Will they stay healthy?
 
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Hisch13r said:
He's not getting dealt this summer. You don't move Quinn before he rejects an extension. JR literally said they're going to do what they can to keep him. He's not going to just turn around and deal him now. If Demko's healthy and good again and EP gets back to himself then Vancouver could be good again. That could entice him to stay. Even if it doesn't the Canucks are at least going to try rather than move on from him before they get certainty. Quinn is only be moved if he outright demands to be dealt and that's not going to happen.
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Lotta IFs in that post.
 
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Fatass said:
Or the other brothers end up in Van. Imo it might not be best for a club to allocate so much cap on these three. Yes, when healthy, Quinn and Jack are fantastic. And Luke is developing but looks to be a good player too. (Lesser than the other two but still a good player)
But with the AAV each will command that’s the 1D and 1C and a highly paid Luke. Lots of minutes for each guy. Will they stay healthy?
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Come on man Vancouver doesn’t have the assets to get both Jack and Luke. There’s nothing they can put together that would make NJ want to trade them.

Health concerns are real though.
 
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Jerzey Devil said:
Come on man Vancouver doesn’t have the assets to get both Jack and Luke. There’s nothing they can put together that would make NJ want to trade them.

Health concerns are real though.
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The cap stuff really isn’t all that much of a concern either. Yeah Quinn’s going to be super expensive but the first year of his deal the cap will be 113.5 mil. Let’s say he’s at 15 mil and Luke signs for 9. They’ll be at 32 mil combined for 3 years. That’s the equivalent of having the 3 of them at 25 mil on the current cap then also factor in years 2 and 3 will likely be on a higher cap making the numbers even more reasonable. Things might get dicey after those 3 years when you have to get Jack onto his next deal but even then you easily take having those first 3 years and figuring out the rest later.

Also even if Vancouver had the assets the Devils wouldn’t be making the deal. Like you’re not just trading away Jack and Luke. You’re trading away Jack, Luke, and a strong chance at getting Quinn. From both a hockey and business pov it’s incredibly stupid for the Devils to move even one of those guys let alone both. It’d have to be an overpay of biblical proportions to make it worth the Devils while and obviously Vancouver doesn’t have that.
 
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Hisch13r said:
The cap stuff really isn’t all that much of a concern either. Yeah Quinn’s going to be super expensive but the first year of his deal the cap will be 113.5 mil. Let’s say he’s at 15 mil and Luke signs for 9. They’ll be at 32 mil combined for 3 years. That’s the equivalent of having the 3 of them at 25 mil on the current cap then also factor in years 2 and 3 will likely be on a higher cap making the numbers even more reasonable. Things might get dicey after those 3 years when you have to get Jack onto his next deal but even then you easily take having those first 3 years and figuring out the rest later.

Also even if Vancouver had the assets the Devils wouldn’t be making the deal. Like you’re not just trading away Jack and Luke. You’re trading away Jack, Luke, and a strong chance at getting Quinn. From both a hockey and business pov it’s incredibly stupid for the Devils to move even one of those guys let alone both. It’d have to be an overpay of biblical proportions to make it worth the Devils while and obviously Vancouver doesn’t have that.
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Very rough cap estimate for a team that fits under the cap. The only piece under contract I shipped out was the final year of Hamilton.

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dgibb10 said:
Very rough cap estimate for a team that fits under the cap. The only piece under contract I shipped out was the final year of Hamilton.

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Obviously very far out and it won’t actually be like that but if the forward depth is still like that imma kms. Things will be tight and it won’t be easy but they better find a way where we still wouldn’t have Cotter and Glass level players on the 3rd line and Mercer in the top 6 (if he doesn’t figure it out). All 3 of those guys should be slotted down a level.
 
Seras said:
Just get one and have the other ask for a trade, or wait till contract is up
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You can’t get one. The Devils are not trading either one and especially not to f***ing Vancouver of all places to put you guys in the position we’re in. You can’t wait until their contracts are up. Jack is locked up for another half decade. Luke’s an RFA this summer that can’t be offer sheeted and in all likelihood is going to be locked up long term. Quinn on the other hand is up in 2 years to be a UFA.
 
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Hisch13r said:
Obviously very far out and it won’t actually be like that but if the forward depth is still like that imma kms. Things will be tight and it won’t be easy but they better find a way where we still wouldn’t have Cotter and Glass level players on the 3rd line and Mercer in the top 6 (if he doesn’t figure it out). All 3 of those guys should be slotted down a level.
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If we don't have faith that mercer when he is 26-27 years of age can be a complimentary winger in a top 6 (with Hughes-Hischier-Bratt-Meier) then we should be shipping him out in a trade today.

I don't know what the quality of player is that you're expecting on a 3rd line ngl (outside of teams that go with usually a pair of very complimentary guys in the top 6 and a more expensive 3rd line). It's likely guys around that level supplemented with TDL rentals.

Eg mercer to line 3, an offensive ELC like lenni up to the top 6, a cheaper winger instead of 7.5 mill (eg like an RFA gritysuk), and then some of that allocated to a 3C.
 
dgibb10 said:
If we don't have faith that mercer when he is 26-27 years of age can be a complimentary winger in a top 6 (with Hughes-Hischier-Bratt-Meier) then we should be shipping him out in a trade today.

I don't know what the quality of player is that you're expecting on a 3rd line ngl (outside of teams that go with usually a pair of very complimentary guys in the top 6 and a more expensive 3rd line). It's likely guys around that level supplemented with TDL rentals.

Eg mercer to line 3, an offensive ELC like lenni up to the top 6, a cheaper winger instead of 7.5 mill (eg like an RFA gritysuk), and then some of that allocated to a 3C.
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Mercer’s had back to back years of very mid production and awful microstats. He at least had the good rookie year and really good sophomore year that gives you hope that maybe he could be that complimentary top 6er but as of now I don’t see the reason to have a considerable amount of faith in it. Especially considering his results over the last 2 years with Nico are pretty poor and his results with Jack aren’t all that great. I’ve always really thought his ideal place here would be as a 3C not a top 6 W. Neither of those options look super promising as of now unfortunately.

Cotter just had 22 pts playing on the 3rd line basically all year. I don’t see how not wanting that guy on a 3rd line is controversial. Cotter’s not a good player. He’s a 4th liner that skates fast in a straight line, throws hits, and occasionally dazzles you with his hands. Glass has been good with the Devils but he is also not a guy I’d want to rely on as my 3C. He paced for 25 pts over the last 2 years before his short stint here. Both of those guys are ideally 4th liners. Maybe you get away with one of them if the rest of the top 9 is really strong and you don’t have the space to upgrade but gaming out a scenario with both of them in the top 9 is super duper ugly. You’re running yourself into a similar situation to this season where the depth was awful.

Personally my ideal scenario would be Grits panning out and adding a top 6er caliber guy. I want Bratt on the 3rd line. Run pairs of Jack-Top 6 guy, Nico-Timo, and Bratt-Grits. Being able to throw that at teams nonstop would be overwhelming. Get a strong 3C. Other 2 wingers find cheaper quality middle 6 or 3rd line caliber guys that can be complimentary pieces to the Jack and Nico lines. Think what Noesen was this year.
 
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Jerzey Devil said:
Losing him for nothing would be a bigger mistake. Devils losing Parise and the Kovy for nothing set the franchise back years. The Isles losing Tavares for nothing set them back.

Not saying Vancouver has to trade Quinnfo the Devils but if he’s gonna leave anyway you have to recoup assets. Especially for a team that desperately needs a rebuild.
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Just wait 2 years dude, We want two more years with him at least
 
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Hisch13r said:
Mercer’s had back to back years of very mid production and awful microstats. He at least had the good rookie year and really good sophomore year that gives you hope that maybe he could be that complimentary top 6er but as of now I don’t see the reason to have a considerable amount of faith in it. Especially considering his results over the last 2 years with Nico are pretty poor and his results with Jack aren’t all that great. I’ve always really thought his ideal place here would be as a 3C not a top 6 W. Neither of those options look super promising as of now unfortunately.

Cotter just had 22 pts playing on the 3rd line basically all year. I don’t see how not wanting that guy on a 3rd line is controversial. Cotter’s not a good player. He’s a 4th liner that skates fast in a straight line, throws hits, and occasionally dazzles you with his hands. Glass has been good with the Devils but he is also not a guy I’d want to rely on as my 3C. He paced for 25 pts over the last 2 years before his short stint here. Both of those guys are ideally 4th liners. Maybe you get away with one of them if the rest of the top 9 is really strong and you don’t have the space to upgrade but gaming out a scenario with both of them in the top 9 is super duper ugly. You’re running yourself into a similar situation to this season where the depth was awful.

Personally my ideal scenario would be Grits panning out and adding a top 6er caliber guy. I want Bratt on the 3rd line. Run pairs of Jack-Top 6 guy, Nico-Timo, and Bratt-Grits. Being able to throw that at teams nonstop would be overwhelming. Get a strong 3C. Other 2 wingers find cheaper quality middle 6 or 3rd line caliber guys that can be complimentary pieces to the Jack and Nico lines. Think what Noesen was this year.
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I think you have very high expectations for what your 3rd and 4th line needs to produce and look like tbh (especially when you are putting a Quinn Hughes level talent onto the back end in this scenario).

especially you're now suggesting another legit top 6 guy as well?? and a high caliber 3C?? This just isn't reality in a cap world beyond going all in on rentals for a year or two, or magically finding studs with every draft pick that immediately produce on their ELCs, or ignoring the dcore/goalies entirely.
 
Should definitely include Hamilton and Nemec and more. Alternatively, Hamilton and a 1st and more.

Doesn't make sense for NJD and their cap and their roster to keep Hamilton if they're adding Quinn Hughes. It's one or the other.
 
Right now New Jersey should probably go after Pius Suter rather than Quinn.

Maybe to wait the 2 years and hope he sign here is the best move, having him is not the priority of this team
 
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lanceuppercut75 said:
Should definitely include Hamilton and Nemec and more. Alternatively, Hamilton and a 1st and more.

Doesn't make sense for NJD and their cap and their roster to keep Hamilton if they're adding Quinn Hughes. It's one or the other.
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Dougie would be going out. It likely wouldn’t be to Vancouver though with his protections. There’d have to be a 3rd team involved to take him. Vancouver moving on from Hughes would also signal a rebuild so the Devils paying them to retain on Dougie would be helpful to moving Dougie.
 
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