Proposal: Vancouver-New Jersey

[HairyKneel]

Gotta love the arrogance of some Devils’ fans here.

You spelled ignorance wrong.

 

[Edmonton East]

Probably a pretty unfair comparison then, I didn't fully remember the details of that. Regardless, what the OP had suggested is probably close to fair, if not bordering a bit light. Was just commenting on the thought that Nemec + Mercer + a 1st was closer value than OP.

This isn't enough for Quinn. Including Mercer also doesn't make sense for either team. He doesn't move the needle at all for what will be a rebuilding Canucks' team. And the Devs already have the worst forward depth in the league and poor prospects. Even if Mercer remains just a 3rd liner, they need him. If you make the move for Quinn, you are trying to contend instantly. Otherwise, wait.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Trading away picks comes back to bite you something Fitz needs to come to terms with..You have Luke at LHD Siegs Dillon signed for two more years ....Silayev Orlov Vilen Edwards Karpovich in the system at LHD....Would Quinn help of course - he would help any team but at what cost and the Devils have more pressing needs....

I understand what you're saying and it's also why I said to put conditions on the 1sts. All of those prospects are years away from touching NHL ice, if they ever do.

If the Devils get Quinn for the OP, Hamilton is almost certainly gone as well. Doing these 2 things frees up 11 million in cap space and adds one of the best D in the league.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Answer this for me. Would Quinn Hughes leave potentially 24-30m on the table over a long term contract to play with his brothers? Especially if the team offering him was a very competitive team?

I don’t know. You’re just making numbers up and not acknowledging the fact that Rutherford said it might not be about money. Again, he’ll have made 50 million by the end of this contract. If he’s traded to the Devils or signs as a UFA, at 7 years or 8 years for 12mil per which is low end, that’ll give him lifetime earnings of 134 or 146 mil. Your made up numbers of 24 to 30 mil actually might not mean as much to him as playing with both of his brothers. And this doesn’t consider any outside endorsement deals or anything like that. He will be more than set for life either way.

We can keep talking in circles about this, but we just do not know other than Rutherford’s recent comments. If it is about money, I don’t think he ends up leaving Vancouver.

 

[Nucky]

Idk. I actually think the typical HF fanbase/mentality keeps holding out hope they can keep a player they love when all signs point to that being unlikely. Then they complain even more once the player does indeed leave for little or no value...setting the franchise back a decade+.

If the Nucks had a strong team currently and/or an incredible prospect pool, your view would make logical sense. But they don't. I get being a fan and wanting to keep a top player anyway though.

Agree to disagree, HF mentality is every team needs to blow it up if they aren't a contender or aren't already in a rebuild or just exiting one. Reality isn't that black and white or that linear.

If Petey bounces back to being a good 1C and Demko can handle being a 1A guy, the Canucks actually do have a good base with a legit 1C in his prime, a top 2 dman in the league, a strong goal tending duo. Lot of ifs, but again, I;d rather see them play out before waiving the white flag for the next 5 years, tanking will always be an option.

2C and wingers would be the holes, makes no sense to blow it up unless Petey shows up broken again next season and Demko looks cooked physically.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Arrogance is expecting Nico or Bratt in any deal for Quinn. That ain't happening.

That’s not arrogance at all. Vancouver has no reason to trade Quinn to New Jersey without getting back something of value.

 

[Hisch13r]

This isn't enough for Quinn. Including Mercer also doesn't make sense for either team. He doesn't move the needle at all for what will be a rebuilding Canucks' team. And the Devs already have the worst forward depth in the league and poor prospects. Even if Mercer remains just a 3rd liner, they need him. If you make the move for Quinn, you are trying to contend instantly. Otherwise, wait.

If the avenue to make a Quinn deal is there and Dawson f***ing Mercer is the holdup you make that deal without thinking twice. If you're getting Quinn then you're moving Dougie. Quinn in and Mercer+Dougie out nets you a little over 5 mil in cap space. Unless the Devils are moving Dougie this summer anyway (they should but I don't think they will) then that immediately puts you in a better spot than you're currently in because as things currently stand the avenue to upgrading the forward group is super slim. Without moving at least one of Dougie or Palat we're just not going to have the cap space to really upgrade the forwards much. I'd much rather have Quinn and 5.15 in cap over Mercer and Dougie. That's a massive upgrade on Dougie as well as 5.15 mil which if you're smart could get you 2 guys that provide similar value to Mercer.

 

[Hisch13r]

Agree to disagree, HF mentality is every team needs to blow it up if they aren't a contender or aren't already in a rebuild or just exiting one. Reality isn't that black and white or that linear.

If Petey bounces back to being a good 1C and Demko can handle being a 1A guy, the Canucks actually do have a good base with a legit 1C in his prime, a top 2 dman in the league, a strong goal tending duo. Lot of ifs, but again, I;d rather see them play out before waiving the white flag for the next 5 years

2C and wingers would be the holes, makes no sense to blow it up unless Petey shows up broken again next season and Demko looks cooked physically.

I do think a lot of the time teams will decide to stick around in the middle too long rather than commit to a rebuild but the Canucks are in a position where you don't commit yet. I've kept saying since the JR comments that the earliest the Canucks even think about moving Quinn is July 1 2026. You don't consider moving on from Quinn until he rejects your extension.

 

[Edmonton East]

If the avenue to make a Quinn deal is there and Dawson f***ing Mercer is the holdup you make that deal without thinking twice. If you're getting Quinn then you're moving Dougie. Quinn in and Mercer+Dougie out nets you a little over 5 mil in cap space. Unless the Devils are moving Dougie this summer anyway (they should) then that immediately puts you in a better spot than you're currently in because as things currently stand the avenue to upgrading the forward group is super slim. Without moving at least one of Dougie or Palat we're just not going to have the cap space to really upgrade the forwards much. I'd much rather have Quinn and 5.15 in cap over Mercer and Dougie. That's a massive upgrade on Dougie as well as 5.15 mil which if you're smart could get you 2 guys that provide similar value to Mercer.

Relax. That's not what I said bud; you are blatantly ignoring the context. Mercer wouldn't be the hold up because no way Vancouver does that deal this offseason. It isn't enough and doesn't make sense.

You are completely off in your Karlsson situational comp to Nemec/1st/Mercer btw, but I know it won't be a reasonable convo.

 

[Hisch13r]

Relax. That's not what I said bud; you are blatantly ignoring the context. Mercer wouldn't be the hold up because no way Vancouver does that deal this offseason. It isn't enough.

You are completely off in your Karlsson situational comp to Nemec/1st/Mercer btw, but I know it won't be a reasonable convo.

I'm not off on my comparison to Karlsson. You also literally said including Mercer doesn't make sense to us. Yes it does make sense.

 

[Edmonton East]

I'm not off on my comparison to Karlsson. You also literally said including Mercer doesn't make sense to us. Yes it does make sense.

HE HAS NO LOGICAL VALUE TO VANCOUVER IN THIS SITUATION! THEREFORE, HE HAS MORE VALUE TO THE FORWARD DEPTH-LESS DEVS BY DEFAULT.

Do you get it now? Do the caps help? And yea, you are laughably off in the Karlsson comp.

 

[Lou is God]

That’s not arrogance at all. Vancouver has no reason to trade Quinn to New Jersey without getting back something of value.

No problem, we'll wait until he's a UFA and the Canucks get nothing.

And I'm sure the Devils are willing to pay a price, just not Nico or Bratt.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

No, you’re getting 2 years out of him. The premise of the trade is that he wants to play with his brothers, if he doesn’t Vancouver wouldn’t entertain a trade at all. In that case you’d be getting the last 7-8 years regardless, you’re just trading for 2.

Matthew Tkachuk wanted to play in St. Louis too. If Vancouver moves Hughes nearly every team in the league is calling. Don't act like he's guaranteed to go to New Jersey.

 

[Peter Griffin]

No problem, we'll wait until he's a UFA and the Canucks get nothing.

And here’s the arrogance…

 

[Hisch13r]

Matthew Tkachuk wanted to play in St. Louis too. If Vancouver moves Hughes nearly every team in the league is calling. Don't act like he's guaranteed to go to New Jersey.

Tkachuk was open to playing in multiple places. If Quinn wants to play with his brothers that’s one place. I’ll agree it’s possible Quinn ends up with a team besides us or Vancouver and if that happens it’ll be because they offer more than us for him in a trade and convince him to stay there. If that happens then oh well. We move on and it’s not the end of the world for us.

 

[Hisch13r]

HE HAS NO LOGICAL VALUE TO VANCOUVER IN THIS SITUATION! THEREFORE, HE HAS MORE VALUE TO THE FORWARD DEPTH-LESS DEVS BY DEFAULT.

Do you get it now? Do the caps help? And yea, you are laughably off in the Karlsson comp.

Except you’re wrong that he’d have no value in the trade. Not surprising you’re wrong though.

I’m not off.

 

[Lou is God]

And here’s the arrogance…

Reality is not arrogance. Arrogance is ignoring reality.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

This isn't enough for Quinn. Including Mercer also doesn't make sense for either team. He doesn't move the needle at all for what will be a rebuilding Canucks' team. And the Devs already have the worst forward depth in the league and poor prospects. Even if Mercer remains just a 3rd liner, they need him. If you make the move for Quinn, you are trying to contend instantly. Otherwise, wait.

lol what

 

[Peter Griffin]

Reality is not arrogance. Arrogance is ignoring reality.

I forgot, when did Hughes say he was intent on joining New Jersey at the conclusion of his current contract?

 

[Lou is God]

I forgot, when did Hughes say he was intent on joining New Jersey at the conclusion of his current contract?

You're own GM said he wants to play with his brothers, if he reaches UFA status, yeah I'm going to say it's a done deal. You can draw your own conclusions.

 

[Peter Griffin]

You're own GM said he wants to play with his brothers, if he reaches UFA status, yeah I'm going to say it's a done deal. You can draw your own conclusions.

No he didn’t. He said money might not be the deciding factor and that he has asked to play with his brothers in the past, referencing the 4 Nations. He also said how the team performs will play a part in his decision. Nothing Rutherford said is news to anyone. If they don’t perform well as a team, he won’t be sticking around. But assuming it’s a forgone conclusion he’s gone to New Jersey is silly.

 

[Lou is God]

No he didn’t. He said money might not be the deciding factor and that he has asked to play with his brothers in the past. He also said how they perform will play a part in his decision. Nothing Rutherford said is news to anyone. If they don’t perform well as a team, he won’t be sticking around.

Denial is a helluva thing:

 

[Peter Griffin]

Denial is a helluva thing:

What am I denying? Show me where Quinn has said he’s going to New Jersey and there’s no alternative? Sure, “if he reaches UFA status” I guess.

 

[Coffee]

Palat is also a huge cap dump, that needs to be factored in.

But the triplets line

 

[Lou is God]

What am I denying? Show me where Quinn has said he’s going to New Jersey and there’s no alternative? Sure, “if he reaches UFA status” I guess.

You just told me JR didn't say he wanted to play with his brothers when he said it almost verbatim.

And not one person has said he's going to NJ, nor will he since that would be so disrespectful to the Canucks and their fans.