Proposal: Vancouver - New Jersey

[wetcoast]

Van says no

You are probably right and that's part of the reason they are a stuck in the middle team.

Miller isn't in their long term plans anyways but getting a 2nd overall this year and a 23 first along with our first in 23 (which could be very high without Demko in net along with Holtz would be an overall net gain for the Canucks and it's not even really debatable.

Also the Canucks goaltending coach seems to do very well with their goalies.

 

[Takumi3000]

Judging by the fact that neither franchises want to do this trade probably means the value is quite on par. My personal opinion is that this major shakeup would be beneficial for both franchises but neither would have the balls to do something like this

 

[NJDsince90]

Judging by the fact that neither franchises want to do this trade probably means the value is quite on par. My personal opinion is that this major shakeup would be beneficial for both franchises but neither would have the balls to do something like this

People like to say this, but it could also mean the offer just isn't good either...

 

[TBF1972]

Judging by the fact that neither franchises want to do this trade probably means the value is quite on par. My personal opinion is that this major shakeup would be beneficial for both franchises but neither would have the balls to do something like this

Trade proposal

Vancouver fan base for the New Jersey fan base

Both will hate it. Must be fair.

At the end of the day, it's three championship banner less for ex-New Jersey fans. Not fair at all.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Zero reason for either team to accept this trade, both francizes are likely worse for making it

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Vancouver trades:
-Miller
-Demko

New Jersey trades:
-2OV
-Holtz
-2023 1st

Why Vancouver does this:
Giving up Demko is super tough but this team is unfortunately nowhere near contention. Main fear is during Demko’s best years with his best cap hit, the team is completely neutered by all of Bennings previous mistakes. He’s too good a goalie to give us a shot at any high draft picks but the team is not good enough to challenge for the cup for the duration of his amazing contract.

Why New Jersey does this:
They get their franchise goalie and the single biggest organizational need. They also get the veteran presence in Miller to guide all their young players. You give up a lot of potential and futures but you can’t keep tanking forever either. With Demko and Miller, a NYR type turnaround is possible for the upcoming season.

These are just the core pieces going in and out but other smaller parts could be added.

No from the Canucks, also guessing it's a no from Jersey too.

Either way, no chance we give up Demko.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

You are probably right and that's part of the reason they are a stuck in the middle team.

Miller isn't in their long term plans anyways but getting a 2nd overall this year and a 23 first along with our first in 23 (which could be very high without Demko in net along with Holtz would be an overall net gain for the Canucks and it's not even really debatable.

Also the Canucks goaltending coach seems to do very well with their goalies.

Your whole point is moot, because there is ZERO chance the Devils make this trade, also ZERO chance we get the 2nd OA or anything of that value for one year of Miller, our fanbase really needs to understand this.

Demko is the present and future in Vancouver, he is so good because of not only how he was developed but the player he was when we drafted him. These types of players don't grow on trees and can't just be developed at will by our goalie guru, it's incredibly shortsighted to think we can just find another Demko at will.

 

[TGWL]

I think NJD would say "Hey, what deal can we make for Demko, only". (And I'm pretty sure Vancouver isn't interested), but I don't think they want to add in Miller who will be a UFA and most likely not a guy they're signing. If they were closing to thinking "We're going to make a major run here", then maybe it's different. But I would imagine NJD to be interested in Demko without Miller attached.

 

[Hisch13r]

I think NJD would say "Hey, what deal can we make for Demko, only". (And I'm pretty sure Vancouver isn't interested), but I don't think they want to add in Miller who will be a UFA and most likely not a guy they're signing. If they were closing to thinking "We're going to make a major run here", then maybe it's different. But I would imagine NJD to be interested in Demko without Miller attached.

I think if we added Demko and Miller we’d actually be pretty damn good next year. We’d go from the worst goaltending in the league to having a top tier goaltender. That makes a world of a difference. Also add another top end offensive talent. At the end of the day though yeah I’d still rather just do Demko and not take the risk attached with Miller or give up the necessary assets. Demko is a part of the core 3 untouchables though so he’s going nowhere

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Go to Joisey to get a pack of cigawets

 

[hidek91]

Judging by the fact that neither franchises want to do this trade probably means the value is quite on par. My personal opinion is that this major shakeup would be beneficial for both franchises but neither would have the balls to do something like this

While I agree that NJ needs to fix their goaltending, the cost is insanely high here and it would be weird to make a sexy and flashy move like this before making some boring depth moves to fix their bottom six and replace Subban/upgrade Smith.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

If you make the 2023 1st top 16 protected, (basically means if Devils make the playoffs, they transfer the pick) then this NJ fan accepts.

 

[Eggtimer]

No chance Demko is traded and Demko is the only one I want to pay whats needed to get a Canucks player. No thanks to Miller unless it’s a bargain and that’s not happening .
Id overpay for Demko but once again , Canucks will not move him and I don’t blame them.

 

[M2Beezy]

Vancouver trades:
-Miller
-Demko

New Jersey trades:
-2OV
-Holtz
-2023 1st

Why Vancouver does this:
Giving up Demko is super tough but this team is unfortunately nowhere near contention. Main fear is during Demko’s best years with his best cap hit, the team is completely neutered by all of Bennings previous mistakes. He’s too good a goalie to give us a shot at any high draft picks but the team is not good enough to challenge for the cup for the duration of his amazing contract.

Why New Jersey does this:
They get their franchise goalie and the single biggest organizational need. They also get the veteran presence in Miller to guide all their young players. You give up a lot of potential and futures but you can’t keep tanking forever either. With Demko and Miller, a NYR type turnaround is possible for the upcoming season.

These are just the core pieces going in and out but other smaller parts could be added.

Take Demko out of this deal and have Brock Boeser and Dermott going the other way and Id do this then. Not sure the Devils would, but could be close

 

[Hisch13r]

Take Demko out of this deal and have Brock Boeser and Dermott going the other way and Id do this then. Not sure the Devils would, but could be close

No. Much rather just toss whatever money would've been used on Boeser and a Miller extension towards like Burakovsky and Gaudreau/Forsberg if that's the type of route we're taking. Still get comparable players and keep the assets.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If Demko were to be made availible id hope the leafs would throw a major package at Vancouver for him.

 

[Hisch13r]

If Demko were to be made availible id hope the leafs would throw a major package at Vancouver for him.

If he was available that to me signals they would really be leaning into a rebuild and that'd mean we'd probably be the team with the assets they'd want most and also we'd have one of the highest needs for him

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

If he was available that to me signals they would really be leaning into a rebuild and that'd mean we'd probably be the team with the assets they'd want most and also we'd have one of the highest needs for him

Guess it just depends on whats offered from each team.

 

[kanucks25]

Value aside, if the Canucks trade Demko they'll be looking for another Demko... I don't see the point.

 

[Smitty426]

Go to Joisey to get a pack of cigawets

Joisey part correct
Cigawets not so much

 

[zcaptain]

Zero reason for either team to accept this trade, both francizes are likely worse for making it

So adding a league top 15 scorer and a league top 5 goalie makes you worse.................LOL

Really? Give your head a shake!

Vancouver says no!

 

[HugeInTheShire]

So adding a league top 15 scorer and a league top 5 goalie makes you worse.................LOL

Really? Give your head a shake!

Vancouver says no!

Make the Devils organization worse, yes it absolutely does.

It is possible to have a trade that isn't right for either team, it may be hard to understand but trading your 3 best tradeable assets and just getting a goalie isn't good asset management.

It would make the next season better for NJ but overall is going to end up bad for them. This offer doesn't even come with an extension for Miller, so they could conceivably walk away from trading their best 3 tradeable assets for Demko and 1 year of Miller.

You do realize there is a massive difference between the NHL team and the Organization right?

 

[Cogburn]

Let's move Dickinson and Pearson to Arizona for mid picks, Garland and Myers to Ottawa for a pick upgrade, and use the savings to sign Miller and Boeser. Easy.

 

[mlse2kk]

Hard pass.

Demko is untouchable (easily in the Saros/Sorokin/Hellebuyck tier of goalies) and would completely gut our G depth, rebuilding or not. After him, we have Martin/DiPietro with a combined 12 games of NHL experience. If this were to happen, we'd be right in the mix for Bedard/Michkov... not something Aquillini and co would allow to happen.

 

[Billdo]

Vancouver trades:
-Miller
-Demko

New Jersey trades:
-2OV
-Holtz
-2023 1st

Why Vancouver does this:
Giving up Demko is super tough but this team is unfortunately nowhere near contention. Main fear is during Demko’s best years with his best cap hit, the team is completely neutered by all of Bennings previous mistakes. He’s too good a goalie to give us a shot at any high draft picks but the team is not good enough to challenge for the cup for the duration of his amazing contract.

Why New Jersey does this:
They get their franchise goalie and the single biggest organizational need. They also get the veteran presence in Miller to guide all their young players. You give up a lot of potential and futures but you can’t keep tanking forever either. With Demko and Miller, a NYR type turnaround is possible for the upcoming season.

These are just the core pieces going in and out but other smaller parts could be added.

God no.