Proposal: Vancouver - New Jersey (Garland & Zacha)
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As a Canuck fan its not the worst trade proposal but I would want a bit more in return. Either change that 3rd into Kevin Bahl or change the pick to a 2nd this draft.
What is Miles Wood injury, is he out for the year? Would like to try and add him to the Canucks in a deal if NJ would be willing to move him.
Would NJ consider Poolman over Dickinson?
What is Miles Wood injury, is he out for the year? Would like to try and add him to the Canucks in a deal if NJ would be willing to move him.
Would NJ consider Poolman over Dickinson?
I can’t pretend to know enough about any teams prospects but, if Walsh projects as a top 4 D, I take this deal as a Nucks fan
And I love Garland
Stephen Gionta
Boston College > Boston University
To be honest I think there is a 0% chance Wood gets traded. He, McLeod, and Bastian were our best and most consistent line line in 2020-21 season. I would think the plan for next season is to keep those three together on the "4th" line (that gets 3rd line minutes).
I think I would do Poolman instead of Dickinson as long as that 3rd rounder stays a 3rd rounder.
I have serious reservations about Walsh’s projection to the NHL no matter how nice his AHL stats look.
The Devils need to add a much more significant prospect to bridge the gap between Zacha and Garland even if they do take on a bit of salary.
The Devils need to add a much more significant prospect to bridge the gap between Zacha and Garland even if they do take on a bit of salary.
Stephen Gionta
Boston College > Boston University
I'd say Walsh projects as a bottom pair, 2nd powerplay RHD.
He's been lighting up the AHL this year. He is 2nd in the AHL in points for defenseman with 6 goals, 26 assists for 32 points in 41 games. He's only 22 and the one defenseman ahead of him in points is 26.
If Walsh can develop his defensive game though, he can absolutely become a middle pairing defenseman. He can really skate which is a huge plus.
AfroThunder396
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I would easily do this as a Devils fan, and if they insist on switching Walsh for either Bahl or Okhotiuk I'd do that too.
Monsieur Verdoux
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If I were a Canucks fan, I would say the same thing. But as a Devils fan, I wouldn't add much to the offer. I just don't think the Devils need more small forwards (I know Garland plays bigger than he is, but still he is a small winger). The Devils need more balance to their roster.
Stephen Gionta
Boston College > Boston University
I think if you can add Garland to your 2nd line, you can fill out the third line with "bigger players"
For example, let's say this trade goes through. You can try to sign Marchment and/or Nichuskin in the offseason.
Bratt - Hischier - Holtz
Sharangovich - Hughes - Garland
Marchment/Nichuskin - Mercer - Johnsson/Tatar
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Ex: Vesey, Dickinson
Yes this means Johnsson/Tatar, Kuokkanen, and Boqvist are traded away.
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Forge
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Most likely he's done for the year. I think they've only said it was "indefinitely" though. I'd assume that if we move him, it will be at next year's deadline as a rental once he's had a chance to show that he's back. He had hip surgery in November, I believe.
This really does nothing for the Canucks. A small, self admitted bottom pairing, offensive prospect, a third line winger and a third round pick isn't enough for a top six winger, and an overpaid top nine winger (somehow...he should be a third line winger).
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Zippy316
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Devils definitely have the pieces to make this deal more appealing if they want to. This would probably be the base offer and then pieces are moved around from here based on what the Canucks like.
Bahl or Okhotiuk are likely more appealing that Walsh, even if Canucks need RHD more. Smith and Mukhmadullin could also be added if the deal is massaged a bit.
That third could become a second, although it would be a high second and Devils would probably want a pick back to balance that out. It could also be Boqvist or Zetterlund or Studenic or Schnarr or another AHL forward who is having a good season.
Stephen Gionta
Boston College > Boston University
Okhotiuk is off the table in a Garland deal that also includes Zacha going to Vancouver IMO.
We did just (over)pay a 9th overall pick with cap dumps for OEL and Garland. I don't feel Garland should be attached to a smaller, lesser cap dump unless we are recouping some of the value spent on acquiring him. The value we spent isn't New Jersey's fault or responsibility, but a second round pick, Bahl and Zacha just doesn't do it for me. Smith or Mukhamadullin could a starting point, but given our sunk cost here, I'd be more comfortable holding onto Garland, who is still young and energizes what ever line he is on.
Would not drag down Garland's value with a cap dump. He's a guy the Canucks can keep around: He works hard and his performance is adequate for the cap hit. He's signed long-term, so there's no upcoming pressure point to make a decision on him.
If there was a very good offer, then sure. But this ain't it.
As a guy who follows the Canucks and Devils, I just don't see any appeal in Zacha. He's closer to a non-QO candidate than anything.
If there was a very good offer, then sure. But this ain't it.
As a guy who follows the Canucks and Devils, I just don't see any appeal in Zacha. He's closer to a non-QO candidate than anything.
Devs have NO RHD in the entire program, I wouldn't trade Walsh. Dickinson is a 2 yr cap dump. I'd rather give up our 2nd then Walsh+3rd or send back a prospect/ less of a dump. Otherwise move on to Wash who has interest. Also I dont think Boeser works for us. Is he needed, hell yes but i'd rather spend a bit more and get better in FA if we can.
Zippy316
aka Zippo
That’s fair. Devils biggest sell to the Canucks is the ability to alleviate them of Dickinson or Poolman. Devils could find use for both, despite their contracts. I don’t think Devils do it without getting Garland though, but it’s fair to see why Vancouver would want better value after trading #9.
The more I look into it, I’d love to take the chance on Dickinson from the Devils perspective. Just hard to see how that works with our contract situations and roster make up front. Hopefully Fitzgerald reinvents the forward group the same way he did the defense by adding some size in the past year and a half.
Phrasing
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Canucks need more Garland type players ie DGAF about their size and play hard and intense. Zacha while being bigger may actually be less physical, less intense and more of a perimeter player than Garland. Can’t see why this would benefit Canucks.
Took your above and did this:
Sharangovich - Hughes -Bratt
Garland - Hischier - Holtz
Marchment - Mercer - Nichuskin
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Extra= Boqvist
I'd like a proven sniper like Forsberg @ LW1, but this lineup is well rounded and much tougher to play against
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Hughes4Calder
I'm not a huge hater of Dickinson, but if we can get some cap space or a player that fits the current team dynamic in his place, I'd be all for it. I think he was meant to be a shutdown 3c for us, and our system under Green was just...deplorable. Now he's in a top 9, often top 6, role and I know it's his first year on a new team, but he just doesn't seem to be a fit with Pettersson, Miller, Boeser, Horvat, Podkolzin or Hoglander. I mean we've used defensively competent forwards offering little else in offensive roles before, but this just doesn't seem to be a Boudreau kind of player, and with our "shut down" roles now being star players or our resurgent bottom line, Motte, Highmore and Lammikko, I don't see a role for Dickinson.
If he could fit, I don't see us putting up much of a fight for a team to take Dickinson, but getting rid of him, or anyone that isn't Ekman-Larsson (due to contract, not play), I don't see Garland being disposable in that way.
sting101
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Garland is worth the price of admission many nights. This trade i believe would be incredibly regretful for the Canucks but kudos for the OP for a decent value proposal given current productivity and our desires to clear the Dickinson transaction which just hasn't worked out to date.
I could live with Zacha for Garland but it would require another top9 forward that fits our needs such as Wood or Mcloed possibly. I can see why Devils wouldn't want to do that but when you get the best player you usually win the trade and quite frankly Garland is a dynamic player entering his prime on a sweet contract he just hasn't had much PP time as our top unit sucks 1:30 annoyingly and has been a bit unlucky.
I think i'm talking myself into a NO. Such a fun player to watch i dont really want CG to go anywhere. How is Zacha around the net does he have good hands for deflections and rebounds because that's definitely a weakness for us which could make him attractive if were hurting our play driving ability
I could live with Zacha for Garland but it would require another top9 forward that fits our needs such as Wood or Mcloed possibly. I can see why Devils wouldn't want to do that but when you get the best player you usually win the trade and quite frankly Garland is a dynamic player entering his prime on a sweet contract he just hasn't had much PP time as our top unit sucks 1:30 annoyingly and has been a bit unlucky.
I think i'm talking myself into a NO. Such a fun player to watch i dont really want CG to go anywhere. How is Zacha around the net does he have good hands for deflections and rebounds because that's definitely a weakness for us which could make him attractive if were hurting our play driving ability
Garland is not a fit in NJ....What 4 or 5 more years at 5 million we are not contending yet and he is a small forward....Agree with you No way is Okhotyuk going that guy is what we lack on defense tough and physical with a nasty streak.....Not to mention how thin we are at RHD
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