Proposal: Vancouver - Columbus

[turkulad]

Now please do notice this is a proposal of a Vancouver fan who is admiring the things Columbus is doing right now, but hasn't been able to follow the season all too much. I'm also not aware of how Clarkson is taken into account in the LV draft, so there are a lot of IF's. And given the track record of all proposals here I don't see this going well but still, this is what I was thinking:

To Columbus:
Daniel and Henrik Sedin (either one at 50%)

To Vancouver:
Boone Jenner, David Clarkson, one of Sonny Milano/Oliver Björkstrand

Reasoning: Vancouver is done, finito, finished. The Sedins aren't first liners any more and can't win a cup here. If they'd be traded to an emerging juggernaut like CLB, they'd settle in as elite second liners and would have two more years at shooting for the club in the best of company. The salary issues aren't covered with 100% certainty but taking in Clarkson and Jenner and doing max retention on one of them would be done to try and alleviate the salary aspects.

In effect, Columbus would lose one young piece in their roster for two effective veteran pieces with a lot of motivation to win it all wearing the CLB colors, expansion draft -wise the balance would stay the same tho (IF Clarkson would have to be protected either way). Clarkson is done but since we aren't competing any time soon, nor do we have superstar contracts that need to be addressed, we wouldn't balk at his contract. The incentive to do this trade right now would be to get one roster piece that would slot in at 2C/2LW/1LW, which ever is seen most dire for the organization struggling, losing, learning to play in the new era and with the new core. One of the two prospects would be ready to compete for ice time and responsibility in a way that wouldn't be allowed in a cup contender right now. It's surely easier to beat Jayson Megnas, Alexander Greniers and Joe Labates for roster spots and the players CLB has.. especially no picks wouldn't trade hands either, and CLB can continue their dominance in that front too.

Thoughts? Ps. please don't perform witchcraft on me, I was genuinely trying to see the interests of both sides. Unless Clarkson does NOT have to be protected, in which case I can just bow out right now.

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[Samkow]

From this Columbus fans perspective, no.

This season so far has been an incredibly pleasant surprise and one I hope continues. However, I think most would argue this team is overachieving and probably isn't a serious thread for the cup this year. Moving some key assets for a stop gap in an attempt to win now would be a bad idea, an I think most Jackets fans would agree.

I can't speak to the value, as I don't watch a lot of Vancouver games.

 

[Old Guy]

I understand what you are proposing. I'm not certain what problem this solves that Columbus faces currently (coming as a CBJ fan). The CBJ 2nd line as currently configured in Jenner, Dubinsky, and Atkinson. Jenner and Dubinsky have not been cold - they have been frozen. Both are just now showing signs of de-frosting.

Think about that for just a moment. Jenner, a 30 goal scorer last season and Dubinsky, both, essentially with darn little on the score sheet, and yet the team is 17-5-4. 38 points in 26 games. Rounded off, that projects out to 120 points - which won the Capitals the Presidents trophy last year. Explain the problem you are solving for the Columbus Blue Jackets, please....

Daniel and Henrick are Vancouver Canucks hockey. They have families that were born and grown there. Vancouver is all the brothers have ever known. Will they be happy waiving their NMC to come to Columbus, Ohio, USA? Yes, they played for Coach Tortorella (one season). But I can't see them happy with much about this. Have you ever worked a job when you weren't happy?

You say something about salary retention, okay so that could be solved. But I just don't see how this works - for Columbus or Vancouver.


After further thought - NO WAY. This does not cost the CBJ just what you show. This would likely cost Atkinson as well. Because the Sedin's would not want to waive the NMC for the Vegas expansion draft and would have to be protected. SO the cost would be Jenner, Milano, and Atkinson. That is too much to give up. Sorry - no thanks.

 

[Viqsi]

Nope. We have cap flexibility with Clarkson on LTIR. We don't get that with the Sedins and their NMCs. Call us up next year, assuming everything is still going well, and we'll look at possibilities then.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

While the OP made a good proposal from a Columbus perspective, I can't see either team doing this. The Sedins are worth much more than Boone and Oliver/Sonny and the negative value of Clarkson's contract.

Henrik and Daniel would not be long for Columbus and this isn't a cup contender this year. They are just a good team.

Unless the Canucks get a gold mine for the Sedins they should retire as Canucks.

 

[stevo61]

Sedins with Torts again? What could go wrong

 

[Jackets16]

From this Columbus fans perspective, no.

This season so far has been an incredibly pleasant surprise and one I hope continues. However, I think most would argue this team is overachieving and probably isn't a serious thread for the cup this year. Moving some key assets for a stop gap in an attempt to win now would be a bad idea, an I think most Jackets fans would agree.

I can't speak to the value, as I don't watch a lot of Vancouver games.

Huge no.

 

[Ctrain2k]

that would be bad if it was both of the sedins but "either one"

 

[Crede777]

For all intents and purposes, the Clarkson issue has been resolved. His career is over. He will be exempt from the expansion draft. Insurance will pay his salary.

So no.

Edit - As an aside, I do think there is a market for the twins. But it should be to a cup contender IMO.

 

[turkulad]

Thanks for the civil responses. So it's a resounding no, and I can deal with that. Looking forward to seeing better proposals that could send them to a contender - they deserve as much for their last few seasons in NA.

 

[Horse McHindu]

As a Canucks fan, I'd be interested in Pierre Luc Dubois, but I can't see Columbus moving him.

 

[Crede777]

As a Canucks fan, I'd be interested in Pierre Luc Dubois, but I can't see Columbus moving him.

As a Columbus fan, I would be interested in the Canucks First this year but I can't see Vancouver moving it.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Sedins with Torts again? What could go wrong

It wasn't their fault I'll tell u that, and Torts actually loved them, he just didn't use them properly.

 

[Viqsi]

that would be bad if it was both of the sedins but "either one"

The "either one" is salary/cap retention. Think of it as retaining 25% on both, only done in a way such that Vancouver doesn't use up two retention slots.

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As a Canucks fan, I'd be interested in Pierre Luc Dubois, but I can't see Columbus moving him.

yeah, that's, um, no.

 

[stevo61]

It wasn't their fault I'll tell u that, and Torts actually loved them, he just didn't use them properly.

Thats my point, Torts coaches his way and the Sedins dont fit into that mold so it hurts both of them. Columbus is a young team with speed and some grittyness which Torts and Jarmo likes so I dont see a fit at all

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Thats my point, Torts coaches his way and the Sedins dont fit into that mold so it hurts both of them. Columbus is a young team with speed and some grittyness which Torts and Jarmo likes so I dont see a fit at all

I don't think the deal is good either, but I totally disagree with you, because Torts didn't always use them that way on purpose, he just didn't have any other options to try and win games.

We didn't have any depth after the Sedins other than Kesler, and Kesler seemed to be endlessly battling injuries in those post 2011 years, so alot of times there was nothing else but the Sedins. (Our 3rd center that year was Jordan Schroeder). He really had no choice at times, in Columbus he already has other options that he knows he can go to obviously. (with the success they have been having)

I don't think the Sedins would fail going to Columbus, they are just too good as both players & leaders/people for me to believe that. But as a Nucks fan I also don't ever want to see them in Non-Canuck NHL colours.

 

[Horse McHindu]

As a Columbus fan, I would be interested in the Canucks First this year but I can't see Vancouver moving it.

Canucks 2017 1st for Pierre Luc Dubois?

 

[TaketheCannoli]

Canucks 2017 1st for Pierre Luc Dubois?

If the Canucks win the lottery sure. Columbus makes that trade afterwards. If not, no.

 

[PG Canuck]

Canucks 2017 1st for Pierre Luc Dubois?

Pass.

 

[T_Cage]

Credit to the OP for actually making a reasonable sedins proposal. It doesn't really fit Columbus' needs or budget tho. They are on thne rise, now isn't the time for this deal

 

[TacitEndorsement]

Nope. We have cap flexibility with Clarkson on LTIR. We don't get that with the Sedins and their NMCs. Call us up next year, assuming everything is still going well, and we'll look at possibilities then.

That only applies if your team is at the cap.

Columbus also doesn't strike me as a team with the budget to be paying somebody over $5m a year to sit at home.

 

[mikeyp24]

If we are losing assets to get rid of someone not playing and that hurts our team then we can pay 7 mil to sit at home. We are almost in first in the metro why **** up chemistry?

 

[major major]

I'm not sure about the Expansion and $/cap implications, or what exactly is proposed concerning retention.

But leaving that aside the trade value is nice for the Jackets. I don't think Jenner + Milano + Clarkson is that much to give up for two years of the Sedins. The Jackets are contenders, I think. The team is built solid. The Sedins might put them over the top.

Lots of ways to fit them in the lineup...


Saad -Wennberg - Foligno
Daniel - Henrik - Atkinson
Hartnell - Dubinsky - Anderson
Calvert - Karlsson - Gagner

Sedins with Torts again? What could go wrong

I think his problem last time with them was that they were the only players he wanted to put on the ice. They got worn out.

If the Canucks win the lottery sure. Columbus makes that trade afterwards. If not, no.

Is Patrick > Dubois? If not for Dubois slow start I think most would have said no or only slightly, not enough to justify moving back a year.

 

[turkulad]

I'm not sure about the Expansion and $/cap implications, or what exactly is proposed concerning retention.

But leaving that aside the trade value is nice for the Jackets. I don't think Jenner + Milano + Clarkson is that much to give up for two years of the Sedins.

Thing is, if the thing about CLB losing Atkinson or someone similar to LV in this scenario, I'm pretty sure their fans have a point that can't be averted with any reasoning. The brothers taking two protection slots would be too much, when they have such a young and promising core.

Hartnell might be another player that might be interesting to take in Clarkson's place but it would be a totally different set-up and wouldn't work for CLB before the playoffs, because I'm pretty sure they'd wanna keep him for that purpose. At least I would.

 

[WannabeFinn]

That only applies if your team is at the cap.

Columbus also doesn't strike me as a team with the budget to be paying somebody over $5m a year to sit at home.

There's this really cool thing called insurance that pays for Clarkson