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mrmyheadhurts
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Luongo, Malhotra and most likely Ballard will all be off the books by July 1st. That's 12million in cap savings right there. It's not going to be an issue, as much as other fans are hoping it will be. There might be a few tough decisions to make but the Canucks should be just fine.
Hopeless Unbeliever
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DL44
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Nobody knows.
We will all sit back and see what Gillis and Gilman have up their sleeves.
Ballard trade now vs everyone talking buyout last yr.
Goalie trade.
Jensen given a roster chance. Schroeder going fulltime.
There is actually a lot of roster flexibility... And options. No one knows what direction the GM will actually take it tho... But its nice to have faith in the people that run your favorite franchise. A luxury, as I'm starting to realize as I read the various boards around the league.
We will all sit back and see what Gillis and Gilman have up their sleeves.
Ballard trade now vs everyone talking buyout last yr.
Goalie trade.
Jensen given a roster chance. Schroeder going fulltime.
There is actually a lot of roster flexibility... And options. No one knows what direction the GM will actually take it tho... But its nice to have faith in the people that run your favorite franchise. A luxury, as I'm starting to realize as I read the various boards around the league.
Everyone who was anyone roughly was in the same situation as the Canucks last season and spent to the cap.
I think you will see the Canucks coming out of the change next season better than the majority of those teams.
I would say:
Lapierre
Weise
Tanev
maybe Volpatti are here come next season of those players the rest will be traded or let go.
X factor- Bit of a shakeup to add a top player, definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
I think you will see the Canucks coming out of the change next season better than the majority of those teams.
I would say:
Lapierre
Weise
Tanev
maybe Volpatti are here come next season of those players the rest will be traded or let go.
X factor- Bit of a shakeup to add a top player, definitely not out of the realm of possibility.
DL44
Status quo
A Lot depends on the number of games this team racks up in the playoffs as well. Anymore than 8-12 wins, and Raymond and Higgens, Lapierre, will be able to cash in elsewhere..
I think Lapierre said a while back he wanted some stability so he would likely re-sign for a reasonable price quite happily.
Higgins is quite clearly underpaid and Raymond is too if he keeps this up. Right now we're getting a good deal on their contracts — if we have to pay market value, I don't know that it makes sense to keep them.
y2kcanucks
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I could see Malhotra, Raymond and Higgins not coming back (maybe one of Raymond or Higgins is retained). I think Lapierre will be back but if he wants a big raise then I could see him walking.
I don't see big raises for Schroeder, Weise, or Tanev. Modest raises for Schroeder and Tanev possibly, but nothing that's going to break the bank (they won't have their salaries doubled).
I can't see Kassian getting a huge raise either. Maybe doubling his $870k contract?
The Sedins certainly won't get raises. Hansen will get a raise but I can't see him getting more than $2.5M.
We also have Ballard who I expect will be traded (also to make room for one of our younger defensemen to make the jump) and Luongo will be traded (although I expect we will receive a player who can play on our roster so the cap savings might not be too huge).
I think we'll be fine.
Won't be an issue. None of the free agents will get a significant raise if they are re-signed. With Luongo deal the Canucks will most likely be under the 64.3 cap (depends on return of course).
We have a lot of 'tweener' wingers, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone (Raymond, Higgins) is traded at the deadline. I can see the Nucks picking up a rental (2nd line playmaker) at the deadline.
Like most have said, we will most likely see Lu, Keith and Manny coming off the books, as well as Raymond or Higgy. That's a lot of cap hit right there.
Like most have said, we will most likely see Lu, Keith and Manny coming off the books, as well as Raymond or Higgy. That's a lot of cap hit right there.
And for the first time in a while, it looks like we might have a mini youth movement on the team with Kassian, Schroeder and maybe even Jensen with ELCs next year.
If I had to make the decision right now, I'd keep Raymond over Higgins.
I wonder what the Sedins will re-sign for? Same contract as now?
I wonder what the Sedins will re-sign for? Same contract as now?
y2kcanucks
Better than you
I think Luongo, Manny, Ballard and Booth should come off to trade and retirement.
Luongo 5.3 Ballard 4.2 and Booth 4.0
Mannys contract will be eaten by Burrows raise.
So we are saving 13.5 mil if we trade those three players. Hopefully we can get some high picks and or under 20 prospects for them.
(6.1)Sedin (6.1)Sedin 4.5 Burrows
(.870)Kassian (5.0) Kesler 2.25(Higgins)
3.2 (raymond)1.5 (Schroeder) (1.35 )Hansen
900k (Weise) 1 Lappy 600k Volpatti / New guy whomever
(4.5) Hamhuis (4.6) Bieksa
(5.0) Edler (4.6) Garrison
2.75Tanev 1.0 Alberts
1.25 Connaution
(4.0) Schneider
(.750) Lack
Cap = 62 mil
Gillis has his work cut out for him.
Luongo 5.3 Ballard 4.2 and Booth 4.0
Mannys contract will be eaten by Burrows raise.
So we are saving 13.5 mil if we trade those three players. Hopefully we can get some high picks and or under 20 prospects for them.
(6.1)Sedin (6.1)Sedin 4.5 Burrows
(.870)Kassian (5.0) Kesler 2.25(Higgins)
3.2 (raymond)1.5 (Schroeder) (1.35 )Hansen
900k (Weise) 1 Lappy 600k Volpatti / New guy whomever
(4.5) Hamhuis (4.6) Bieksa
(5.0) Edler (4.6) Garrison
2.75Tanev 1.0 Alberts
1.25 Connaution
(4.0) Schneider
(.750) Lack
Cap = 62 mil
Gillis has his work cut out for him.
biturbo19
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I don't think we're really in a bad situation at all. Barring a major shakeup to bring in another top end player with significant salary...we should be able to largely keep our roster intact just with moving Luongo, and Malhotra's $2.5M coming off the books.
It's tight, but with Luongo out, and only modest raises for Tanev and Weise, guys like Lapierre, Schroeder, and Volpatti signing at roughly the same value, and some bargain bin spares...i think it's feasible to keep Ballard and Booth even, and one of Raymond/Higgins, or Jensen potentially gets into the lineup. It's really not like we're going to have to gut our roster or anything to make it fit.
It's tight, but with Luongo out, and only modest raises for Tanev and Weise, guys like Lapierre, Schroeder, and Volpatti signing at roughly the same value, and some bargain bin spares...i think it's feasible to keep Ballard and Booth even, and one of Raymond/Higgins, or Jensen potentially gets into the lineup. It's really not like we're going to have to gut our roster or anything to make it fit.
medgett
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Yea I see a lot of people not worried here, but I remember posting this exact kind of thing in the Sharks board a few years ago and they all said don't worry about it, we'll be great, DW will figure it out. The next summer they traded Ehrhoff to us for White and Rahimi. Not saying it's quite as bad a spot, but looking at it objectively, the canucks are looking at about 71-73m in salary if they retain everyone with the exception of Malhotra given what we would expect the range of some of the new contracts to be:
Tanev 1.5 - 2.5
Higgins 2.0 - 2.4
Raymond 2.5 - 3.5
Lapierre, Volpatti, and Wiese approx. the same
This doesn't take any buy outs or an anticipated goalie trade into the equation. Targets for buy outs could include Ballard and Booth. I think Booth can be bought out without a huge hole being created as Kassian has shown that at least in stretches, he can fill that gap and others like Raymond, Hansen and Higgins all are capable of filling that spot if need be. Ballard is a little more of an undertaking. If he is bought out, you need someone who can play top 6 minutes not just as a fill in, but as a guy you want to have out there. Even then it only brings near the cap, (you save 3.75 max on Booth and 3.7 on Ballard as you still have to fill the roster spot). Assuming you then make the Luongo deal, you need to either make the deal for futures and free up almost the full cap hit or get back a capable young defenseman who can fill Ballard's spot for very little money. Obviously the latter would be better as I wouldn't envy GMMG having somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million to land a top 6 d man through FA. This is pretty much the only path I see.
If you were inclined to keep Ballard, IMO it guarantees your looking at prospects and picks for Luongo.
Tanev 1.5 - 2.5
Higgins 2.0 - 2.4
Raymond 2.5 - 3.5
Lapierre, Volpatti, and Wiese approx. the same
This doesn't take any buy outs or an anticipated goalie trade into the equation. Targets for buy outs could include Ballard and Booth. I think Booth can be bought out without a huge hole being created as Kassian has shown that at least in stretches, he can fill that gap and others like Raymond, Hansen and Higgins all are capable of filling that spot if need be. Ballard is a little more of an undertaking. If he is bought out, you need someone who can play top 6 minutes not just as a fill in, but as a guy you want to have out there. Even then it only brings near the cap, (you save 3.75 max on Booth and 3.7 on Ballard as you still have to fill the roster spot). Assuming you then make the Luongo deal, you need to either make the deal for futures and free up almost the full cap hit or get back a capable young defenseman who can fill Ballard's spot for very little money. Obviously the latter would be better as I wouldn't envy GMMG having somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million to land a top 6 d man through FA. This is pretty much the only path I see.
If you were inclined to keep Ballard, IMO it guarantees your looking at prospects and picks for Luongo.
He's unlikely to get more than 1.5m as a #5/#6 with no offensive numbers. That's the going rate for a guy like Tanev.
Look at what Hansen signed for with a better track record.
medgett
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True, although we'll see what his numbers end up being at the end of the year given that he's about to step into the top 4. There's no question that he's a highly sought commodity and I'm sure his agent will be pushing for the 2m range. Just because Hansen came cheaper than expected doesn't mean we should start expecting deals. Anyway its a few hundred k one way or the other and is probably irrelevant.
I'm beginning to wonder if they trade Ballard or Booth. I think if the trend continues - Ballard playing very well with Tanev, and Booth struggling a bit, Booth should be the one out (especially with someone like Jensen that might be ready fro a top 6 role).
So if he has better value, we'd get more back for him in a trade?
And it's also about team needs. If AV continues rolling 3 pairings, each playing with lots of ice time, and if Jensen is ready for the Canucks next year, doesn't trading Booth make more sense?
LickTheEnvelope
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Well odds are Luongo is gone this off-season, so that's $5 mil.
Tanev likely wont be more than $1.5 on a bridge deal as he just doesn't put up offensive numbers.
Jensen will be in next season and Schroeder wont cost much more.
Higgins seems an odd man out, as does Lapierre (potentially)...
Raymond i'm unsure on, again all the Raymond stuff for me comes down to playoff performance.
Tanev likely wont be more than $1.5 on a bridge deal as he just doesn't put up offensive numbers.
Jensen will be in next season and Schroeder wont cost much more.
Higgins seems an odd man out, as does Lapierre (potentially)...
Raymond i'm unsure on, again all the Raymond stuff for me comes down to playoff performance.
