Proposal: Vancouver/Calgary

Horse McHindu

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Ferland is a much better player than Gaunce, who is likely to end up playing in Europe shortly. The demand for Ferland is going to be quite high, as he brings not only energy and secondary scoring, but also grit.

The only thing that gives Virtanen any stock over Ferland is draft position.

Fair enough, but the chance of Ferland being a Top 6 guy is quite slim. Virtanen hasn't lived up to expectations as of yet, but his ceiling is much higher. I'm not sure about other Canuck fans, but I personally wouldn't do. Given Ferland's popularity in Calgary, I doubt Calgary would do it either.

I'm not opposed to moving Virtanen in a 'hockey deal' (as we did McCann), but I'd want to see the guy coming back to be a bonafide Top 6 player (obviously, in order to do this, Virtanen would have to be packaged with something significant).
 

East Coast Icestyle

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Ohh don't reference something old here, might get you accused of being "not cool" LOL

I meant hash tags are childish and always have been. As is your current attitude, apparently.

I said ferland is a third liner simply because you Canuck fans always talk like he some trash player. Gaunce, really?

This thread is basically a thinly veiled way to start a fight between two fan bases.
 

Nucklehead Supreme

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I meant hash tags are childish and always have been. As is your current attitude, apparently.

I said ferland is a third liner simply because you Canuck fans always talk like he some trash player. Gaunce, really?

This thread is basically a thinly veiled way to start a fight between two fan bases.

They are childish in your opinion, in the real world they are valid ways of raising awareness and yes they can lead to stupid things, but not as a whole, that would be a generalization, which is the argument of the ignorant.

Never said he wasn't a 3rd liner did I? Just pointed out that we wouldn't trade Virtanen for him.

I agree this thread is totally pointless.
 

Volica

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I'd say bad trade partners, but, history seems to have us getting a deal a year :laugh:

I mean, it is a Benning trade, so I expect a 2nd at least; thrown in with Virtanen that is. Pretty sure if we dangled Jankowski out there Weisbrod would beg him to throw their 1st and Juolevi out there.
 

Flameshomer

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I'd say bad trade partners, but, history seems to have us getting a deal a year :laugh:

I mean, it is a Benning trade, so I expect a 2nd at least; thrown in with Virtanen that is. Pretty sure if we dangled Jankowski out there Weisbrod would beg him to throw their 1st and Juolevi out there.

Janko is killing it in the A right now. Count me out of that trade unless it's the 2017 first and they're in last place at the deadline.
 

Volica

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Janko is killing it in the A right now. Count me out of that trade unless it's the 2017 first and they're in last place at the deadline.

I don't think the Canucks are tending upwards at this time to be fair.
 

Reinhart

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Interesting proposition.

If the Flames feel that Virtanen has high upside, they take this and run.

I am not sure that he does have high upside. He has a lot of really nice attributes - great speed, plays physical (when he isn't injured - is he really playing through an injury? If so, why???), and has a nice shot. He just doesn't seem to have a very high IQ at all.

Ferland is really coming around. As others have mentioned, he is off to a great start, and is looking like a much more consistent NHL'er. Plays a complete 200ft game, seems smart out there and much more mature.

I don't think I take this deal if I am Calgary. People also forget that Ferland scored 47 goals in his best year in the WHL (2 more than Virtanen's best year) and 96 points (25 more than Virtanen's best year), while beating up outright goons at times. It isn't a given that Virtanen exceeds Ferland, draft position be damned.

Flames will likely say no. Next month will be a definite no if Virtanen is still playing through a bad shoulder.

I loved Virtanen in his draft year for the first half, but the 2nd it kind of fell apart for me because he was just not very dynamic. I think he got too high, and if Vancouver wanted a PWF, Ritchie would have been the better pick (higher IQ and playmaking ability), but that is a discussion for another time.

It is easy for Vancouver fans to come back with a big "hell no" - understandably given Virtanen's pedigree. I just don't much like him as a prospect.

Now how much do we have to add to Ferland for Boeser? Now there is a prospect I love. :P

(and no, not being serious and please don't respond with actual proposals and derailing this thread - I know Boeser would be outrageously expensive to pry out of the Canucks. Just wanted to point out that I am not down on all Canucks prospects, and Boeser is going to be a gem of a player down the road. I think he is going to be a huge piece for Vancouver).
 

skyo

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I'd say bad trade partners, but, history seems to have us getting a deal a year :laugh:

I mean, it is a Benning trade, so I expect a 2nd at least; thrown in with Virtanen that is. Pretty sure if we dangled Jankowski out there Weisbrod would beg him to throw their 1st and Juolevi out there.

Yeah Benning has edged out a couple trades from the Flames so far
Markus Granlund > shink,
baertschi-2nd,
so lets go 3 for 3.

Going by that rate between these two teams a 2nd for Ferland should suffice. ha
 

Frankie Blueberries

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Counter offer: Dorsett for Tkachuk. Same terrible proposal, but at least I'm honest about it and not making a new thread to waste bandwidth
 

blankall

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Counter offer: Dorsett for Tkachuk. Same terrible proposal, but at least I'm honest about it and not making a new thread to waste bandwidth

This post is totally delusional.

Tkachuk is way ahead of Virtanen at this point. Ferland is a solid bottom 6 player with a physical game, that any team in the league would be interested in. Dorsett has negative value.

In what universe are either of those sets of players comparable...I can see why you wouldn't want to take the Virtanen/Ferland swap, in the hope that Virtanen gets back on track and begins to work towards his potential. Your comparison is just so far off from reality.

Based on current play:

Ferland > Virtanen
Tkachuk >> Virtanen

Either of Ferland/Tkachuk >>>> Dorsett
 

CaptainCrunch67

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Yeah Benning has edged out a couple trades from the Flames so far
Markus Granlund > shink,
baertschi-2nd,
so lets go 3 for 3.

Going by that rate between these two teams a 2nd for Ferland should suffice. ha

thanks I'd much rather have Shink then Granlund who is doing nothing at the NHL level and probably won't

Sven is well on his way to returning to Europe. Rasmus Andersson is developing nicely in his first year of pro hockey.
 

Woodtkachuk

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Yeah Benning has edged out a couple trades from the Flames so far
Markus Granlund > shink,
baertschi-2nd,
so lets go 3 for 3.

Going by that rate between these two teams a 2nd for Ferland should suffice. ha

Granlund and Baertschi have 5 points in 12 games so far combined..
 

Cogburn

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This has Benning written all over it.

So...there isn't any reason why Vancouver should do it, it's horrid value, and we will probably see it happen later this week.... :facepalm:
 

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