Proposal: Vancouver blowing it up!

[RationalExpectations]

Vancouver requires an established top 2 nhl center in any deal for EP

Fan of MTL and VAN. In my opinion, there is no team trading a top 6C for EP at this stage with his salary. To me the only way he is traded is if Hughes is traded too at which Point it means Full rebuild in VAN, which I would hate but is likely the logical outcome of the inefficient GMs decisions over the past ten years

 

[Qwijibo]

I don’t mind EP40 innMontreal. He’s a gamble but a calculated one. Personally, I would prefer to keep Dach and give him another shot. I also think there’s one too many first going back the other way. I would be open to add a prospect as well.

Laine + 2025 1st + Beck or Mailloux would be my offer. I would be open to add another 2025 1st if Van retain ~2M on EP40

I want nothing to do with Pettersson in Montreal. He's being portrayed as if he's the victim of a bad situation. Have you considered he's a big contributer to that bad situation? Montreal appears to have a great situation and culture being established. Petterson isn't a fit in Montreal (and that's ignoring how bad he is with interacting with the press and fans)

 

[CowbellConray]

So EP goes for 2 cap dumps, a mid 1st this year and probably a mid first next year? Awful value.

Van:
EP
Demko
SJS 2025 3rd
Total value out: 16.6M

Buf:
2025 2nd (39th Ovr)
2026 1st
Norris
Clifton
UPL
Rosen
Total Value out: $17M

No retention, Vancouver gets a center and a goalie who has shown to be a solid starter when on. Rosen is a B prospect, NHL ready, an early second and first next year, unprotected.

EP stays in Buffalo to train, Demko as long as he has a clean bill of health comes over to try to upgrade goaltending, and both teams benefit

 

[VetPresence]

Jake DeBrusk to Edmonton for ?. He would be a great fit in our top six and is from the city, along with his dad being on our broadcast team.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I want nothing to do with Pettersson in Montreal. He's being portrayed as if he's the victim of a bad situation. Have you considered he's a big contributer to that bad situation? Montreal appears to have a great situation and culture being established. Petterson isn't a fit in Montreal (and that's ignoring how bad he is with interacting with the press and fans)

Sure, that’s your opinion. I see what once was an elite C available for below market price. It doesn’t matter if EP40 had leadership issues in Vancouver. He won’t have to play that role in Montreal and will eventually fall in line.

Bonus point for shipping Laine out. The guy has no chemistry with anyone and too many plays die on his stick.

 

[My3Sons]

Nah. Jack just wrote a letter to the devils fanbase after he was injured saying how heart broken he is and that he looks forward to winning for us for “years to come”.

I think the contract Luke signs this summer will be very telling of what the Hughes boys plan to do with their future. If he signs a 4 year extension Devils fans should be worried him and Jack are gone after that. If he signs an 8 year extension I would assume they’re making NJ their home for a while.

My guess is Luke agrees to six years. Right in the middle and one year longer than Jack's deal. Similarly, I see Quinn staying in Vancouver for three years beyond his current deal to bring him to UFA when Jack is due also. If the three do go anywhere other than NJ my expectation is it would be Detroit since the brothers own a house together in Michigan. Just my speculation. Five years from now is an eternity in sports. If Jack keeps getting hurt he's not going to be the hot property in five years he is right now.

 

[DJJones]

Calgary outbids anyone for Petterson

 

[Qwijibo]

Sure, that’s your opinion. I see what once was an elite C available for below market price. It doesn’t matter if EP40 had leadership issues in Vancouver. He won’t have to play that role in Montreal and will eventually fall in line.

Bonus point for shipping Laine out. The guy has no chemistry with anyone and too many plays die on his stick.

His cap hit is too high for too long. It's too big a risk.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Calgary outbids anyone for Petterson

What can they offer?

 

[LemonSauceD]

His cap hit is too high for too long. It's too big a risk.

You’re squabbling over a couple of what if pieces when you literally have the potential to ice a Pettersson/Suzuki 1-2 punch down the middle with Demidov, Slaf, and Hutson around. Like what?

 

[Diogenes92]

I would think it would be something around:

Quinn Hughes

for

Nemec, Mercer, 1st, +

I understand the whole 'Devils can just wait' argument, but what those people are forgetting is that Quinn is currently cost controlled at 7.7ish for 2 more years.

Thats 2 years of cup contention at a steal of a cap hit. You can start by doubling his salary when he is up as a UFA. And if he is already a Devil, he can be signed for 8 instead of 7 as a UFA.

 

[Hisch13r]

My guess is Luke agrees to six years. Right in the middle and one year longer than Jack's deal. Similarly, I see Quinn staying in Vancouver for three years beyond his current deal to bring him to UFA when Jack is due also. If the three do go anywhere other than NJ my expectation is it would be Detroit since the brothers own a house together in Michigan. Just my speculation. Five years from now is an eternity in sports. If Jack keeps getting hurt he's not going to be the hot property in five years he is right now.

Quinn signing a 3 year deal would be shocking. Unless we suck and Vancouver’s great I also don’t really see the upside to staying in Vancouver for an extra 3 years rather than coming here for those 3 years.

 

[Hisch13r]

I would think it would be something around:

Quinn Hughes

for

Nemec, Mercer, 1st, +

I understand the whole 'Devils can just wait' argument, but what those people are forgetting is that Quinn is currently cost controlled at 7.7ish for 2 more years.

Thats 2 years of cup contention at a steal of a cap hit. You can start by doubling his salary when he is up as a UFA. And if he is already a Devil, he can be signed for 8 instead of 7 as a UFA.

To me the whole “Devils can wait” argument is if the trade package is something f***ing absurd. Then you just either wait it to get him or you don’t end up getting him at all. If it’s the package you’re suggesting which is also what I’ve said then yeah go get him ASAP.

I don’t think anyone is getting 2 years of Quinn though. I don’t see Vancouver moving him before at least July 1 2026 if/when he rejects the extension.

 

[Peter Griffin]

To me the whole “Devils can wait” argument is if the trade package is something f***ing absurd. Then you just either wait it to get him or you don’t end up getting him at all. If it’s the package you’re suggesting which is also what I’ve said then yeah go get him ASAP.

It’s not a very good package, of course they’d jump on that. If Vancouver were to move Hughes this offseason there would be much better offers no doubt.

 

[Hisch13r]

It’s not a very good package, of course they’d jump on that.

Well yeah that’s the point. Quinn would be great to have but our need is up front not on the backend. We shouldn’t be offering something wild for Quinn.

 

[Fatass]

I'd be willing to gamble on Pettersson from a Montreal POV, but either add retention or swap MTL's 2026 1st with a prospect or 2. Not sure I'd be willing to gamble how good Montreal will be next season and on Pettersson being able to bounce back with a NMC and high salary.

I think clubs chase top centres that are in that younger group. It’s like the risk Vegas took to land Eichel. Yes, there’s the gamble but the payoff is substantial if the player returns to elite form. 100 point, defensively sound centres (Selke calibre) that are 24-27 are very coveted. I can’t see the Habs in on Pettersson though. I see Demidov growing into that role as the top two C. Suzuki and Demodov is fantastic!

 

[Qwijibo]

You’re squabbling over a couple of what if pieces when you literally have the potential to ice a Pettersson/Suzuki 1-2 punch down the middle with Demidov, Slaf, and Hutson around. Like what?

No. I'm concerned they waste $11.6m of cap space on a guy who has looked like crap for the better part of a year and a half.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

A few things that must be remembered in this conversation.

Just because it's believed that Quinn wants to join his brothers in NJ doesn't mean Vancouver HAS to abide and send him there for whatever NJ wants to give. Teams absolutely would take Quinn as a 2 year rental even knowing they'd likely lose him.

Luke Hughes cannot receive an offer sheet so that puts the likelihood of Jack and Luke joining the Canucks to around 0% as the Devils certainly wouldn't consider trading them both and there is no other feasible way to pull it off.

There absolutely is a risk for the Devils to just wait and sign him for nothing in 2 years. He could go to a different team and decide to re-sign there. Hell he could decide Vancouver has done enough to entice him to stay. Devils would also be putting off going all in for another 2 years, since that'd be 2 years of budgeting to ensure you save enough space for Quinn.

This doesn't mean the Devils should be willing to move out whatever Vancouver wants for him but they should be willing to part with anything beyond Hischier, Bratt and obviously Jack and Luke.

 

[waitin425]

Vancouver get:

Patrick Laine 8.7M UFA 2027

Kirby Dach 3.36M UFA 2026

Canadiens 1st 2025

Canadiens 1st 2026


Montreal get:

Elias Pettersson 11.6M UFA 2032


Montreal get their 1-2 punch at C and hope EP rebuilds his career. Vancouver get rid of a guy, that does seem disinterested playing there. Canucks also get 2x 1st:s for their rebuild after their best player and captain also seem to want to leave.Dach could become a serviceable 3C. Laine is in for cap reasons.
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Thoughts?

11.6 is a shit ton for EP. Almost 4 million more than Suzuki. At that cost, I'd probably only flip ya Laine + 2025 1st + Mailloux.

Dach and 2026 1st aren't included.

 

[DJJones]

What can they offer?

No shortage of assets. Parekh would be the only untouchable.

I don't have a good sense of what his value would be though. Coming off a couple weak years.

 

[Baksfamous112]

His cap hit is too high for too long. It's too big a risk.

Ok

 

[Space umpire]

Well, its a gamble. Habs have the space and the need. If he actually starts to compete again, Habs has a 1-1C combo for years.
Its not like you get a 1C for cap-dump, cap-dump, 3rd and 4th

You are correct, that’s the price for a #1C ……. But not for one with the issues and question marks he has. You would get a 1st and a good prospect.

 

[Smitty426]

Palat is a salary dump, van dont want him

Heres a realistic one

To NJD:
Quinn Hughes

To Van:
2026 1st
2025 2nd
Nemec
Casey
Mercer

You have to remember youre talking about a norris defenseman. And yes, hes likely to sign with NJD in 2027 UFA withour giving up assets but it doesnt mean he will be given away. They can trade him to someone else and theyll pay just as much as the above to have him for 2 years

Meanwhile Fox doesnt return this, so is it realistic?
Jersey WILL then just wait.
You thinking is wrong, anyone trading for QH (which is what I think will happen) knows he's on a short deal so the return will not be the above.
Jimmy R let the cat outta the bag, not that many already thought this

 

[Smitty426]

Well yeah that’s the point. Quinn would be great to have but our need is up front not on the backend. We shouldn’t be offering something wild for Quinn.

Our D is not done being SC prepped. I will agree up front needs the most work (restart the Brady T to NJ chant)

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Meanwhile Fox doesnt return this, so is it realistic?
Jersey WILL then just wait.
You thinking is wrong, anyone trading for QH (which is what I think will happen) knows he's on a short deal so the return will not be the above.
Jimmy R let the cat outta the bag, not that many already thought this

Fox would get more, he has more term