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Proposal: Van - NYI

miscs75 said:
I’m breaking this deal down as such:
Horvat: 1st, 2nd, AHLer/warm body
Barzal: 1st, Lekkerimaki, Garland

Isles pass on this as a whole. Too many moving parts, no center to atleast fill the gaping crater left from both Barzal and Horvat leaving.
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I wouldn’t put Mynio/Kudryavstev as just filler. The former made the Canadian WJC team and the latter was voted the most underrated OHL player in the Western Conference by coaches in 2023-2024, for what it’s worth. While they aren’t top prospects by any means, they do have a decent chance of becoming bottom pairing NHL players with room to grow. I would value them at around a 2nd or 3rd round picks, but with the benefit of a few years of development and being closer to NHL ready than draft picks.

I guess one issue is that it’s not clear if NYI is looking to retool or do a tear down rebuild. The Nelson trade made it seem like they are interested in selling, but I guess we’ll have a better idea of their direction following free agency this summer.
 
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Goatlender said:
I wouldn’t put Mynio/Kudryavstev as just filler. The former made the Canadian WJC team and the latter was voted the most underrated OHL player in the Western Conference by coaches in 2023-2024, for what it’s worth. While they aren’t top prospects by any means, they do have a decent chance of becoming bottom pairing NHL players with room to grow. I would value them at around a 2nd or 3rd round picks, but with the benefit of a few years of development and being closer to NHL ready than draft picks.

I guess one issue is that it’s not clear if NYI is looking to retool or do a tear down rebuild. The Nelson trade made it seem like they are interested in selling, but I guess we’ll have a better idea of their direction following free agency this summer.
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Still doesn’t fix the problem if the Islanders do decide to sell. WHO IS PLAYING CENTER? They move both Barzal and Horvat to sell and get back no future centers, just a high end wing prospect, a middle six 6 winger and either another bottom 6 winger who’s undersized or an overhyped defensive prospect who might become a bottom pairing LD. There needs to be atleast a center to replace the gaping hole that the Canucks created for the Islanders. No adding in another 4C via UFA isn’t the answer and Ritchie isn’t ready to be a 1C.

Also, Brock was traded because he didn’t want to extend with the Islanders past this year, not because they just want to sell off. This trade outside of the 2 1st round picks and Lekkerimaki does nothing for the Islanders in the long term except eat up roster spots.
 
Huggy said:
Van

Bo Horvat
Matthew Barzal

NYI

1st 2025
1st 2026 unprotected
2nd 2026
Tom Wilander
Nils Hoglander

Horvat shouldnt have ever left. Barzal comes home. NY gets King's ransom for rebuild
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We’re going to keep seeing more of these junk proposals as Vancouver becomes more and more desperate to improve their team before Hughes decides to leave to New Jersey.

Somehow they think they are going to land horvat and barzal without giving up lekkerimaki? Please lock up this thread we don’t need to waste time reading one-sided proposals.
 
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miscs75 said:
Still doesn’t fix the problem if the Islanders do decide to sell. WHO IS PLAYING CENTER? They move both Barzal and Horvat to sell and get back no future centers, just a high end wing prospect, a middle six 6 winger and either another bottom 6 winger who’s undersized or an overhyped defensive prospect who might become a bottom pairing LD. There needs to be atleast a center to replace the gaping hole that the Canucks created for the Islanders. No adding in another 4C via UFA isn’t the answer and Ritchie isn’t ready to be a 1C.

Also, Brock was traded because he didn’t want to extend with the Islanders past this year, not because they just want to sell off. This trade outside of the 2 1st round picks and Lekkerimaki does nothing for the Islanders in the long term except eat up roster spots.
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I get it, but it will also largely depend on if they can sign any centres in free agency (players like Bennett, Duchene, Tavares - lol, Granlund, Donato, Roslovic, Suter, etc.).
 
Goatlender said:
What about:

Horvat
Barzal

For

1st 2025
1st 2026 (unprotected)
Lekkerimaki
2nd 2026
Garland or Hoglander
Mynio or Kudryavtsev
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How about we send you our #1 and our entire Bridgeport AHL squad for Hughes or EP40? Your choice!
Your offers are sounding Joe Pesci-esque in My Cousin Vinny
 
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Goatlender said:
I get it, but it will also largely depend on if they can sign any centres in free agency (players like Bennett, Duchene, Tavares - lol, Granlund, Donato, Roslovic, Suter, etc.).
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Tavares isn’t coming back and even then, the rest of that list is the equivalent of disappointment. The biggest fix should be a way out of some of the long term contracts the Isles have, not adding in another one by the name of Hoglander.
 
miscs75 said:
Tavares isn’t coming back and even then, the rest of that list is the equivalent of disappointment. The biggest fix should be a way out of some of the long term contracts the Isles have, not adding in another one by the name of Hoglander.
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I originally thought Hoglander’s contract was a small anchor as well, but his play picked up a lot down the stretch. $3 x 3 with the rising cap for a young, skilled forward that is capable of 20-30 goals is fine. It could become a steal, or be fair market value, or he could be overpaid by about $1.5 million - none of these are really worth getting concerned about.
 
Horvat’s trade value is about the same as when he was acquired for 2 years ago. I’m not sure why Islanders fans think all of a sudden he’s worth a top prospect.

A mid 1st, a B+ prospect, and a middle 6 roster guy is the value.

Barzal will definitely cost a top prospect, a 1st, and a decent roster player.
 
LemonSauceD said:
Horvat’s trade value is about the same as when he was acquired for 2 years ago. I’m not sure why Islanders fans think all of a sudden he’s worth a top prospect.

A mid 1st, a B+ prospect, and a middle 6 roster guy is the value.

Barzal will definitely cost a top prospect, a 1st, and a decent roster player.
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Horvat has a bit more value now because he is signed long term and the cap is going up. Let’s not forget an older Nelson that’s a UFA got a 1st and a top prospect.
 
lou would need to be gone, he wont rebuild.
but based off general 1st, prospect, dump value

2025 1st, willander, chytil for horvat
2026 1st, lekkermaki, hoglander for barzal

i think it would get their attention to talk, but they could probably do better trading them separately. would need 1 more pick/prospect of decent value id think
 
dbaz said:
lou would need to be gone, he wont rebuild.
but based off general 1st, prospect, dump value

2025 1st, willander, chytil for horvat
2026 1st, lekkermaki, hoglander for barzal

i think it would get their attention to talk, but they could probably do better trading them separately. would need 1 more pick/prospect of decent value id think
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Replace the bolded to start. Chityl is just LTIR space at this point and Hoglander comes with too much term.
 
Goatlender said:
I originally thought Hoglander’s contract was a small anchor as well, but his play picked up a lot down the stretch. $3 x 3 with the rising cap for a young, skilled forward that is capable of 20-30 goals is fine. It could become a steal, or be fair market value, or he could be overpaid by about $1.5 million - none of these are really worth getting concerned about.
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It’s more so the extra years. Add in Hoglander to the list of Duclair, Engvall, Mayfield, Pelech, Pulock and that’s a lot of term tied up in bottom roster pieces currently. That’s why I’m saying no to Hoglander. He could be capable of the 20-30 goals but no way is he getting it with Cizikas, Pageau or MacLean as a 1C. Hoglander is a 3rd line winger who might be able to shift up if injuries become an issue.
 
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Realities of what most trades are these days for these players.
Just like how chytil was a dump in the miller trade and beaulivier in the horvat deal. Chytil is also a friendly buyout
Which is why both lekk and wallinderwould need to be in the Dela along with probably a 2nd/prospect
 
Trading our 2 best skaters is not ideal. And if it did happen,I suspect trading them in separate deals would yield a better return and maximize their value.
 
LemonSauceD said:
Horvat’s trade value is about the same as when he was acquired for 2 years ago. I’m not sure why Islanders fans think all of a sudden he’s worth a top prospect.

A mid 1st, a B+ prospect, and a middle 6 roster guy is the value.

Barzal will definitely cost a top prospect, a 1st, and a decent roster player.
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He’s signed long term and isn’t a pending UFA. Isles acquired him as a rental. There was no contract in place or pre talks before trading for him. He was re-signed quickly thankfully but the trade was for a rental.
 
SI90 said:
He’s signed long term and isn’t a pending UFA. Isles acquired him as a rental. There was no contract in place or pre talks before trading for him. He was re-signed quickly thankfully but the trade was for a rental.
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He was also a few years younger, scoring at a much higher clip that season, and there’s a good chance the parties discussed extension before the trade was finalized. His value isn’t higher now than the last trade, that’s just copium talk.
 
Goatlender said:
He was also a few years younger, scoring at a much higher clip that season, and there’s a good chance the parties discussed extension before the trade was finalized. His value isn’t higher now than the last trade, that’s just copium talk.
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He’s on a team with an historically bad PP, Barzal has been injured a good portion of the year as well as so many defensive injures. Horvat is still just about at 30 goals.

There was no contact between the isles and Horvats representatives prior to the trade and that has been reported.

He just turn 30 just days ago and is signed for 6 more years. We see 29-31 year olds sign 7 year UFA deals often. His value is definitely more today than it was as a rental
 
Goatlender said:
He was also a few years younger, scoring at a much higher clip that season, and there’s a good chance the parties discussed extension before the trade was finalized. His value isn’t higher now than the last trade, that’s just copium talk.
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Even with the value being the same, the original trade is still terrible for the Islanders for the reasons I discussed. Asking for both would be priced way out of what Vancouver could offer since neither are on the way out. 2 firsts, one top prospect and filler pieces doesn’t do much for the Islanders in the long term unless the 1sts both hit on quality players who become core pieces in 3 years and we both know that won’t happen. It’s a quantity for quality trade and the quantity for the Islanders doesn’t even fix the issues they have with the long term contracts that Lou signed. It just gives them no organizational depth or even a bright spot to make the team relevant. It would be a 5-7 year rebuild at minimum and back to square one with no centers since the pieces included from Vancouver don’t even give the Islanders that. Having a rock solid blueline with quality goaltending won’t score goals or make the powerplay average. At best it would keep games from being 7-1 and make them 3-1.
 
Any team acquiring both Horvat and Barzal is extremely unlikely. If the Isles do decide to move one of them though, I’m sure Vancouver would show interest but I feel other teams would be able to offer more interesting packages for the Isles.
 
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Huggy said:
Van

Bo Horvat
Matthew Barzal

NYI

1st 2025
1st 2026 unprotected
2nd 2026
Tom Wilander
Nils Hoglander

Horvat shouldnt have ever left. Barzal comes home. NY gets King's ransom for rebuild
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That 2025 pick is like 15th overall. And with Horvat and Barzal, that 2026 first round pick would be like 20th-32nd.

Hardly a "king's ransom" for two top-6 forwards.

Start with Lekkerimaki. Have to give to get.

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