SI
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Proposal: Van/NYI (not Horvat)
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Garland is much better than Beauvillier and Wilde doesn't even hold a 7th round pick value anymore these days. He is 100% going to be a UFA this upcoming summer after everything thats transpired between him and the origanization. If Lou was offered future considerations for him at this point i'm sure he'd take it and run.
Nope.
We’ve got Hoglander who’s similar to Beau and Garland brings tons more value to us than him as well. And we don’t need more defensively inept defenseman.
Garland for Bolduc and a pick would be better.
We’ve got Hoglander who’s similar to Beau and Garland brings tons more value to us than him as well. And we don’t need more defensively inept defenseman.
Garland for Bolduc and a pick would be better.
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This isn't a very good deal for the Canucks.
Over their careers, Garland is a 0.6 pts per game winger and has a career high of 22 goals and 52 pts. Beauvillier is a career 0.46 pts per game with a career high 21 goals and 39 points. I know there is more to a player than just points but this indicates a higher offensive level for Garland. Wilde is an ECHL defender at this point in his development so carries zero value, so that's a contract spot for the canucks that they don't need to occupy. Garland would be available but this isn't the right deal
Over their careers, Garland is a 0.6 pts per game winger and has a career high of 22 goals and 52 pts. Beauvillier is a career 0.46 pts per game with a career high 21 goals and 39 points. I know there is more to a player than just points but this indicates a higher offensive level for Garland. Wilde is an ECHL defender at this point in his development so carries zero value, so that's a contract spot for the canucks that they don't need to occupy. Garland would be available but this isn't the right deal
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I don't see this working out. I think Vancouver would rather picks/controlled prospects than either of these 2.
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Yeah, i don't really see what this does for Vancouver.
Beauvillier is a real "tweener" on a contract that isn't that far off what Garland is making as a much better player. Bode Wilde doesn't nearly make up the difference between the two. In fact, i don't really see him holding much of any value at all at this point. Especially to a Canadian team. Basically on par with a "contract slot throw-in".
Beauvillier is a real "tweener" on a contract that isn't that far off what Garland is making as a much better player. Bode Wilde doesn't nearly make up the difference between the two. In fact, i don't really see him holding much of any value at all at this point. Especially to a Canadian team. Basically on par with a "contract slot throw-in".
He refused to get vaccinated so he was sent to Sweden and not welcome on their ahl or nhl club. It’s why he’s in the echl now I presume
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Garland is apparently worth as much as Dobson, Raty, 17 1sts and a conditional Stanley Cup based on how Canucks have valued him. Beau for Garland makes way too much sense but apparently not enough value for the Canucks fans to even bat an eye for a start of a deal. This was the fanbase insisting on demanding Dobson or Pulock in return for JT Miller during the draft.
No one remotely asked anything close to that for Garland. This is purely made up by you. Classic example of a shitpost.
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You sure? There’s been quite a few Islanders/Canucks posts where the asks for Vancouver players have been beyond bananas. Canucks fans asking for Dobson (with Garland or Miller going the other way) after numerous replies stating he’s not available. Then asking for Pulock with the same reply. There was even a thread involving Mayfield for Tyler “the giraffe” Myers with Islanders fans stating they don’t want him and his contract in return for Scott Mayfield (who’s highly unlikely to be moved).
Then you have the Canucks fans who got defensive over the fact that Garland is no more than a complimentary middle 6 forward (trying to push projected stats, ignoring actual career totals), not some 30+ goal scoring sniper.
All they've said in here is that Garland is worth more than Beauvillier, which is pretty easy to argue is true. Looking at the last 3 full seasons, goal production has been pretty comparable. Beau has 45 goals over 190 games (average of 19.4 goals per 82 games played), whereas Garland has 53 goals over 194 games (average of 22.4 g/82). However, there is a pretty notable difference in points where Garland has 130 points (53.5 pts/82) while Beau only has 101 (43.6 pts/82). That's a roughly ten point difference per season, which is a pretty notable difference. I also like Garland's defensive game more than Beau's.
Beau having a 800k lower caphit and being a year younger does mitigate that difference a bit, but both factors are close enough that I don't think it makes up the difference. Garland's contract is a few years longer, which could be a positive or a negative depending on your view of how good a caphit he has, so factoring that in as well doesn't still doesn't make up the difference.
Don't get me wrong, the difference in their value isn't wildly different (no pun intended), but I'd agree with Canucks fans that Wilde has no value. He hasn't had any real pro success at any level since being drafted 4 years ago and is currently struggling to produce in the ECHL. While I think he does have upside still, I think the likelihood of him reaching it is so small that I wouldn't trade anything more valuable than future considerations if I was another team's GM.
I think Beau plus an asset of value for Garland would be fair if the Canucks are looking to move Garland for a comparable forward/contract, but the add on would be something more around a 2nd to 3rd round pick in value.
Fair enough, but I don't think the Islanders can really afford to trade for Garland without moving out similarish salary against next year's cap. Also, their prospect pool is dreadfully thin, and I don't see Garland moving the dial enough to justify thinning it that much further in a deal of just prospects/picks. Something around Beau as change of scenery type deal is the closest thing that would make sense for both teams, though I get if you still don't feel that works for the Canucks.
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You really know how to drive a bargain. Make an offer and belittle the other party in to accepting. Wins every time.
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Wow we just live inside your head don't we, so much butthurt in one post and no Beau for Garland does not make sense. It's an awful proposal.
Assuming Vancouver continues to languish, I assume they’ll trade Horvat as a rental and retain 50%. They’ll fetch a first from a playoff team + another asset of value.
But I’m genuinely curious as to Garland’s trade value or just his tradeability in general.
Vancouver needs someone that wants him but if they find such a team, what will they get? I don’t see a first rounder being in the equation, but truthfully… no idea what’s he’s worth. Wild ass guessing is all we can do.
But I’m genuinely curious as to Garland’s trade value or just his tradeability in general.
Vancouver needs someone that wants him but if they find such a team, what will they get? I don’t see a first rounder being in the equation, but truthfully… no idea what’s he’s worth. Wild ass guessing is all we can do.
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You mean it’s awful like a bunch of C prospects/AHL players (aka Rathbone and some fillers) and Pearson for Pulock/Dobson bad? That’s what was pushed in the past. This is actually the first time an Islanders fan created a thread involving the two teams. Usually it’s Vancouver fans who pushed lopsided trades while trying to push mediocre forwards (Hoglander and Pearson) like they had major value as pieces of trades. Beau for Garland is actually a decent base for a trade but apparently not so since Beau isn’t some instant fix to the issues Vancouver has.
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You mean like trying to claim that Horvat as an expiring UFA will get you key pieces to solving the issues the Canucks have on the roster? Or how JT Miller is getting traded for generational talent because he once had a 99 point season in a contract year? Ah yes, that must be belittling because the original trade being discussed wasn’t lopsided enough for a few Canucks fans on here. Please let me know when a player who’s career highs are 22 goals and 52 points goes for a major return like he’s a proven top line winger who puts up a consistent PPG pace.
every once in awhile Beau scores a big goal like he did vs toronto monday night and he's part of the family again .
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Heard the Isles were going to have a 2 fer bubblehead night to celebrate. It will be Beau and Bailey and they are going to call it "Big Goals By Bums Bobble Giveaway".
How is it a decent basis for a trade? The canucks need centres, draft picks, prospects, or dmen. Not swapping a winger for an inferior winger.
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What is going on with Garland this year?
Those stats are basically what Beau has too.
At that pace, the Canucks at least get about $650,000 in cap space by a straight swap.
Neither player is earning their salaries this year.
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Those stats are basically what Beau has too.
At that pace, the Canucks at least get about $650,000 in cap space by a straight swap.
Neither player is earning their salaries this year.
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Regardless of valve either way. Van and Isles are not a good match as trading partners. There is a huge difference in how we each valve our players from Garland, Bo and Boesner to Beau, Raty, Dobson and etc, etc.
