Confirmed Signing with Link: [VAN] F Dakota Joshua signs extension with the Canucks (4 years, $3.25M AAV)

[Peter Griffin]

Excellent deal. Unless he runs into injury issues, I don’t think this will end up being a mistake.

 

[LordBacon]

wow the last few days have been gillis/gilman level

Honestly I think he’ll be better given a few more years

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

This is a f***ing phenomenal deal as long as he keeps up the pace and doesn't get comfortable.

He easily could have had $4 million per on the open market. Might have had more term as well.

I'm still getting used to having competent management. It's kind of surreal.

I'm still not used to it. My knee-jerk reaction to every move we make is "I'm sure they f***ed it up" and then I'm pleasantly surprised

 

[TheBeard]

he took a discount. vancouver is certainly not his hometown though.

I don't think you guys know what hometown discount means.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Nice signing! 15 million left in cap space, can the Canucks get one or both of Zadorov and Lindholm signed?

I think Lindholm is headed elsewhere, they'll get Zadorov done and then go hard after Guentzel or Reinhart in FA.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

You should have been delighted if that would have been happened.

Terrific player. Absolutely stoked at this contract/value. Scored 40 ES points in 76 games last year from the 3rd line, one of the most physical players in the league, great PK guy. Signed through his prime.

Very good player, but yeah I wouldn't be comfortable at that number.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

and Joshua shot at a 21% shooting rate while Foegele was at 10%

typically 28 year olds, especially those just finishing their 2nd full season.. don't get better with age


and your team is still paying OEL not to play with you for 4 more years!

Beats paying Nurse $9.25 million for the next 6 years to play bottom pairing minutes.

 

[Diamonddog01]

and Joshua shot at a 21% shooting rate while Foegele was at 10%

typically 28 year olds, especially those just finishing their 2nd full season.. don't get better with age


and your team is still paying OEL not to play with you for 4 more years!

Err what?

He did have a high shooting percentage...even if it falls back down to earth, which it most likely will, (let's say Foegele's shooting %) in terms of real numbers that means ES 11 goals over a full season. Which is fine - he also brings so much more to the team than points.

 

[Fraser28]

well first off, relax how you talk to people. second. ive been around long enough to what it actually means.

Correction: you THINK you know what it means. But you’re wrong. Try Googling and reading some articles about it.

 

[Pure West]

typically 28 year olds, especially those just finishing their 2nd full season.. don't get better with age

Why is that? I'd say its much more likely that a 28 year old with 8 years of NHL experience doesn't get better with age then a player like Joshua. A player who wasn't handed every opportunity on a silver platter and had to work his way up and play his way into a more important role is more likely to get better with age. I'd say the more likely thing that would make this age poorly is its hard to be a more physical player as you enter your 30s, but due to playing college until he was 23 and losing almost a whole season to covid he doesn't have quite as many miles on his body.

This year was the first year he got to play with more talented linemates like Garland and then Lindholm in the playoffs. Even then, he got basically zero PP time.

 

[Paulinbc]

That's some fine work Stanley!!

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Why is that? I'd say its much more likely that a 28 year old with 8 years of NHL experience doesn't get better with age then a player like Joshua. A player who wasn't handed every opportunity on a silver platter and had to work his way up and play his way into a more important role is more likely to get better with age. I'd say the more likely thing that would make this age poorly is its hard to be a more physical player as you enter your 30s, but due to playing college until he was 23 and losing almost a whole season to covid he doesn't have quite as many miles on his body.

This year was the first year he got to play with more talented linemates like Garland and then Lindholm in the playoffs. Even then, he got basically zero PP time.

I’d add that there aren’t a lot of players who follow Joshua’s career path. So you can’t really say what is the ‘typical’ projection. How many players have a break out season at age 28? Tim Thomas maybe? Not many others.

 

[MS]

Err what?

He did have a high shooting percentage...even if it falls back down to earth, which it most likely will, (let's say Foegele's shooting %) in terms of real numbers that means ES 11 goals over a full season. Which is fine - he also brings so much more to the team than points.

Joshua won't match this year's SH% but he's also a guy who basically only shoots the puck in high-danger chances from within 10-15 feet of goal. He will always be a guy who shoots 12-15% at worst.

This thing fans do where they assume that all players regress to the same base SH level is ridiculous. Different players play very differently.

 

[Wry n Ginger]

Reminder, just because they signed Joshua, doesn't mean they won't find the next Joshua as well.

 

[NeoCanuck]

He’s literally a Marcus Foligno clone.

Great deal for a physical winger with low mileage.

 

[The Expert]

Thought 4 mil per would be the cheapest it would come in at, nice contract for Vancouver.

I remember attending one of his first games for the Canucks live and thinking he looked out of place at the NHL level. Nice to see a guy put the work in, he was so fun to watch last season.

 

[biturbo19]

Not bad. Hovering right around where my sort of "walk away" number would've been for him, but much better than a lot of the rumored numbers and fears of a deal up around that Marcus Foligno territory or more. $3M was sort of my top number, but whatever, not gonna cry over an extra $250k. Especially not when they managed to keep the term within reasonable bounds.


Important piece to keep because of his chemistry with Garland and obviously the size+physicality that the Canucks really need more of, not less. If they couldn't get a deal done with Dakota, they would've had an even bigger hole to dig out of in terms of size and physicality.

It's a bit of an overpayment because so much of his success is owed to Garland's play-driving...but since the Canucks still have Garland, i guess i don't really care that much. It lets them continue to run a "3rd line" that produces like a de facto "2b" line at even strength, pretty much regardless of who Centers them. So with say Bluegers... ~$10M for that isn't too shabby.

 

[MS]

Why is that? I'd say its much more likely that a 28 year old with 8 years of NHL experience doesn't get better with age then a player like Joshua. A player who wasn't handed every opportunity on a silver platter and had to work his way up and play his way into a more important role is more likely to get better with age. I'd say the more likely thing that would make this age poorly is its hard to be a more physical player as you enter your 30s, but due to playing college until he was 23 and losing almost a whole season to covid he doesn't have quite as many miles on his body.

This year was the first year he got to play with more talented linemates like Garland and then Lindholm in the playoffs. Even then, he got basically zero PP time.

Exactly. It's not like this guy has been around for years and was a seemingly known quantity who had a blip.

In 4 years he went from ECHL->AHL->NHL 4th liner->excellent NHL player. He's on an absolute ripper of a development curve and we don't really know where it ends.

 

[Three On Zero]

About 500k more than I would have liked, but the length is perfect

 

[CupofOil]

It's a fair contract but steal? That's a big stretch.

This makes me think that Foegele could get something like 4x4.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Nice piece of business. My biggest concern with him is health. Ferland really dropped off quick after some injuries and they play similar crash and bang games, although I don't think Joshua is quite as reckless.

 

[nucks88]

What year do you think he'll be bought out?

You tell me, you seem to have your finger on the pulse …. all I know is he was part of a third line that was arguably the best in the League for stretches last season… the Canucks are in go for it now mode not p***y around mode….

 

[Rowlet]

It's a fair contract but steal? That's a big stretch.

This makes me think that Foegele could get something like 4x4.

Friedman already said today that a bunch of other teams were going to offer Joshua more than 4x4 so I'd imagine so.

 

[sting101]

Very good player, but yeah I wouldn't be comfortable at that number.

How do you feel about Rasmussens deal?

 

[JediOrderPizza]

How do you feel about Rasmussens deal?

It's alright.