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Confirmed Trade: [VAN/DET] Filip Hronek and 2023 4th round pick for 2023 NYI 1st round pick and 2023 2nd round pick

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Still arguing over a trade that is seemingly benefitting both teams? :laugh:

If I'm Vancouver, I'd be a little afraid of throwing him a 7-8 year deal based on him playing well on a contract year, but his offensive stats can't be denied right now.
 
It's not so much as I am doubling down. He slowed down from his first 2.5 months but not more than I thought he would. Again, playing with a norris trophy finalist in a year that they all need to elevate their play so EP can stay (brock boeser says hi) will probably help him out a bit don't you think?

Not to mention that in all regards, Vancouver is significantly outplaying what they were projected to be this year. Still in the playoff race and will most likely make the playoffs to presidents trophy contenders. There's a difference between those.

I also did not believe that the western conference was going to have this many bad teams but shame on me for that one. So yes, Hronek did not significantly slow down as expected, but if you can objectively watch him play and think he has not slowed down in his "awesomeness", the more power to you. He still makes the same mistakes he was making in detroit, he just has a vezina goalie behind him, a norris trophy finalist next to him (most nights) and an offense that is producing at 2nd in the league. All of which contributes to his +33 (hilariously the same as hughes, further proving my point on that one) and the hiding of these mistakes. I have said it since the beginning of my time in this thread, I hope he does and stays well. Never disliked him in any way, just didn't like his mistakes always showing up on the score sheet. Maybe if we had taken hughes over zadina (which I still think we would have chosen someone else and not hughes if we didn't take zadina) and ended up trading for Helly like I wanted before his extension, then maybe I would have thought he wasn't that bad too.

I am pretty sure Andres Lilja and Lebda would look like pretty damn good too (they actually looked like pretty good third pairing defenders....on the 2008 stanley cup winning team........after that year not so much)
Sorry dude, you are so out to lunch.

Hronek has been one of the best Dmen in the NHL this season without question. Hronek is leading the league in +/- at +33, top 3 is Defensive point share, top 5 D in XGF, top 5 in D scoring. In silos these don't mean a whole lot, but when you are at the top of nearly everything it paints a pretty good picture. He is a legit top pairing Dman no matter how you validate it. Hughes make him better no doubt, but look at the improvements Hughes has made playing with Hronek as well.
All these mistakes you keep talking about have been incredibly rare occurrences that every player in the NHL has, certainly not concerning at all.

You are simply wrong about Hronek. Maybe a guy who just turned 26 had some room to grow left, and ended in a pretty good situation. You keep talking about this regression that flat out has not happened, if anything he his play has improved as the season has gone on. I don't get your stance here, you clearly have not watched him play this year, but still want to have a strong opinion on him and debate with people who watch him every game.

This can still be a win-win for both teams. The Canucks got a young top pair RD who has improved his game to a level that neither team expected. The Wings got a very good RD prospect that fits their pay structure and timeline better. That is a good move for both teams. just quit making shit up to validate your agenda.
 
Still arguing over a trade that is seemingly benefitting both teams? :laugh:

If I'm Vancouver, I'd be a little afraid of throwing him a 7-8 year deal based on him playing well on a contract year, but his offensive stats can't be denied right now.
I don't think anyone is arguing over the trade or who got the better deal, most agree it was good for both teams. The argument is with that one joker who keeps making stuff up to push his weird agenda from a few years ago.

I think Hronek will get a long term deal, but it is more based on his defensive play and fit with Hughes than his points. If he had half the points he does, I think most Canucks fans would still be happy to lock him up long term.

We were told to wait until Mid Jan to see how bad Hronk would get, this is simply just checking back in.
 
Sorry dude, you are so out to lunch.

Hronek has been one of the best Dmen in the NHL this season without question. Hronek is leading the league in +/- at +33, top 3 is Defensive point share, top 5 D in XGF, top 5 in D scoring. In silos these don't mean a whole lot, but when you are at the top of nearly everything it paints a pretty good picture. He is a legit top pairing Dman no matter how you validate it. Hughes make him better no doubt, but look at the improvements Hughes has made playing with Hronek as well.
All these mistakes you keep talking about have been incredibly rare occurrences that every player in the NHL has, certainly not concerning at all.

You are simply wrong about Hronek. Maybe a guy who just turned 26 had some room to grow left, and ended in a pretty good situation. You keep talking about this regression that flat out has not happened, if anything he his play has improved as the season has gone on. I don't get your stance here, you clearly have not watched him play this year, but still want to have a strong opinion on him and debate with people who watch him every game.

This can still be a win-win for both teams. The Canucks got a young top pair RD who has improved his game to a level that neither team expected. The Wings got a very good RD prospect that fits their pay structure and timeline better. That is a good move for both teams. just quit making shit up to validate your agenda.
“Hronek looks good because he plays with Hughes” is starting to look more like “Hronek looked average because he played for Detroit” now that we are in 2024.
 
I don't think anyone is arguing over the trade or who got the better deal, most agree it was good for both teams. The argument is with that one joker who keeps making stuff up to push his weird agenda from a few years ago.

I think Hronek will get a long term deal, but it is more based on his defensive play and fit with Hughes than his points. If he had half the points he does, I think most Canucks fans would still be happy to lock him up long term.

We were told to wait until Mid Jan to see how bad Hronk would get, this is simply just checking back in.
Moreso than trying to justify the trade, some Detroit fans really want Hronek to fall apart so they can rationalize the fact that they have spent the last four seasons pissing on the poor guy.


i have literally said this entire time that I hope he does great and I don't remember ever saying that we won and you lose. If anything, I said we won because we got ASP.

No weird agenda, just you not reading that I am pulling for the guy, I just don't see it happening. Also, I even said that I was wrong to think he would have dropped down by now, but I still don't see the improvement people are clamoring over. Yes, he is playing better, but he is not playing to the level you are claiming he is. He is still making the same mistakes and is still being bailed out by much better players around him. I don't see how that is "out to lunch" when it is clearly occurring.

It's the exact same as pius suter. I hope he is doing great because we all liked him. We all liked hronek, he just wasn't working out and fell apart routinely in by january. There is no malice here, it's being objective to a player. You clearly enjoy his play and that is awesome for you! I hope he stays the same or gets better than you ever imagined.

Call me old fashioned (and probably a goal post mover because I am about to do that and I am secure enough to admit it), but he is in his final contract year, he is playing behind the second in the league offense, he has a vezina (potentially) goalie behind him, and his main (for awhile at least) d-partner is a norris trophy finalist. In no way, can you argue that he is the reason all of these things are occurring on the vancouver canucks, he is a byproduct of team that is doing well around him. Many players have cashed in on this exact opportunity and it seems like he is hiding all of those qualities we know he is. Maybe he get's that 7-8 year long term for 7 mil and you guys would love that, I am not sure how many wings fans would love it knowing what we know. Maybe he just needed that change of scenery like another poster said to the type of players that i listed above that he is playing with. Who knows.
 
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i have literally said this entire time that I hope he does great and I don't remember ever saying that we won and you lose. If anything, I said we won because we got ASP.

No weird agenda, just you not reading that I am pulling for the guy, I just don't see it happening. Also, I even said that I was wrong to think he would have dropped down by now, but I still don't see the improvement people are clamoring over. Yes, he is playing better, but he is not playing to the level you are claiming he is. He is still making the same mistakes and is still being bailed out by much better players around him. I don't see how that is "out to lunch" when it is clearly occurring.

It's the exact same as pius suter. I hope he is doing great because we all liked him. We all liked hronek, he just wasn't working out and fell apart routinely in by january. There is no malice here, it's being objective to a player. You clearly enjoy his play and that is awesome for you! I hope he stays the same or gets better than you ever imagined.

Call me old fashioned (and probably a goal post mover because I am about to do that and I am secure enough to admit it), but he is in his final contract year, he is playing behind the second in the league offense, he has a vezina (potentially) goalie behind him, and his main (for awhile at least) d-partner is a norris trophy finalist. In no way, can you argue that he is the reason all of these things are occurring on the vancouver canucks, he is a byproduct of team that is doing well around him. Many players have cashed in on this exact opportunity and it seems like he is hiding all of those qualities we know he is. Maybe he get's that 7-8 year long term for 7 mil and you guys would love that, I am not sure how many wings fans would love it knowing what we know. Maybe he just needed that change of scenery like another poster said to the type of players that i listed above that he is playing with. Who knows.

And there is no need for name-calling and calling me a joker. That's just rude, you loser. How dare you.
Why not just say you haven't watched him much if at all since he left the wings?
 
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Trade looks good for both teams. A handful of Detroit fans tried to say Hronek wasn’t very good but he’s been much better than advertised. The majority were pretty balanced in their evaluation though. He’s just fit in with Hughes like a glove to form one of the top pairings in the league. It’s really hard to predict that but kudos to Vancouvers management and pro scouting staff who thought he was well worth the price that was paid. That trade which was really combined with the Horvat trade completely reshaped the team.
 
Moreso than trying to justify the trade, some Detroit fans really want Hronek to fall apart so they can rationalize the fact that they have spent the last four seasons pissing on the poor guy.
What a weird comment. Hronek was between very bad defensively to average during his time in Detroit, and always good offensively. He was nowhere near the player he is in Vancouver and I suspect he never would have become this player in Detroit because we have no LD that are in the same galaxy as Hughes to pair him with. We didn't spend 4 seasons shitting on him because we're crazy, it's because he was legitimately bad quite often. I said it before - if Hronek was the player he is this season in Detroit, evne for like 30% of a season...it would have taken Lekkerimaki + 2 1sts to get him out of Detroit.

I don't see a single Detroit fan hoping he fails...we wish him the best and I've only seen people glad he is succeeding.

EDIT: Oh I see Detroit Knights' posts. Never mind. Yeah I don't agree that he's been regressing or anything. By all accounts Hronek has been lights out this entire season and I'm glad he found a level of play that I don't think he ever would have in Detroit. Y'all gotta understand - it's not like he showed flashes of this but wasn't consistent. He was straight up horrible defensively more often than not. I'm glad he's appeared to have figured it out.
 
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Absolutely, every party involved was a winner. Detroit fans that keep saying Hronek will fall apart just can't stop hating on the guy.
And our fans can't stop shoving it in their faces how well he's playing, when their drafted prospects haven't even had a chance to play yet. It's a juvenile argument and this thread would've died months ago without people's need to "win" trades and other transactions.

It's a clear win-win and everybody could just accept that in two seconds and move on.
 
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how dare you. cholowski was just used wrong! we buried his gift!


well you insinuated that I haven't watched him play since he left the wings, so that would be a lie.
It's a safe assumption to make. I truly can't see how anyone who understands hockey and watches Hronek play on an nightly basis could agree with your takes.

You kept stating to wait to mid January for us to "know who he really is", yet here we are and keep making the same claims you did at the start of the year despite mountain of evidence that shows you were wrong. You keep claiming he has had a huge regression, but yet he is playing his best hockey right now. You claim he gets bailed out by his teammates, but its really the opposite of that. You claim he is a by product of the team around him, as well as he is "hiding" his bad qualities in a contract year.

I find it bizarre and really quite funny that you keep pushing all of this, when there is nothing to support any of it . It's like you don't understand that players develop, land in good situations, and can improve over time.

Most everyone agrees that this trade should work out well for both sides, which is awesome. But yet you keep coming back saying you " know what we know" about him from when he was a 24 YO on a bad team.

Anyway, feel free to disagree all you want, I'm out.
 
What does his next contract look like if he continues to play balls out? Can Vancouver retain?
Hronek and EP are the obvious priorities for Allvin this summer. I think he signs 6x8. I also don't believe there is a "Hughes" ceiling that needs to be protected. Hughes signed his deal after a terrible season, and will get paid his worth on his next contract.
 
I guess we can go point by point here to make it easier.
It's a safe assumption to make. I truly can't see how anyone who understands hockey and watches Hronek play on an nightly basis could agree with your takes.
When you make an assumption you are making an ass out of yourself. You don't know me and don't know what I do. The same goes for me to you. So assuming I don't watch games is just wrong. I don't need to explain myself here, especially to you, on how you are wrong, so I can just leave it there.

I do not care if people agree with my takes. Plenty of people disagree and that is fine with me, it's called life. Get over it. You seem very upset that I don't agree with you and I am not sure why care so much for my approval.
You kept stating to wait to mid January for us to "know who he really is", yet here we are and keep making the same claims you did at the start of the year despite mountain of evidence that shows you were wrong. You keep claiming he has had a huge regression, but yet he is playing his best hockey right now. You claim he gets bailed out by his teammates, but its really the opposite of that. You claim he is a by product of the team around him, as well as he is "hiding" his bad qualities in a contract year.
Yes, I did say that. Then, when you came back a few days ago and asked me what I thought. I then told you what I thought. I said he has not shown the regression I was expecting and what most red wings fans expected....So that would actually be agreeing with you! I just didn't say it the way it makes YOU feel special, warm and gooey inside. Sorry I didn't do that for you. I never said he has had a huge regression. I said I expected it. I even said (again, i just said this to you) that he has not regressed the way I expected. I did say he is making the same mistakes and yes he is a byproduct of the team around him. In detroit, he did not have a vezina goalie, a norris partner, or a top 2 offense (much less a top 20 offense) in front of him. So, yes, that is helping him and his mistakes seem a lot more minimal that it was prior. This does not mean he isn't making the same mistakes, this means that his mistakes are being covered up better or could be making a little less mistakes. There's a difference somehwere there.
I find it bizarre and really quite funny that you keep pushing all of this, when there is nothing to support any of it . It's like you don't understand that players develop, land in good situations, and can improve over time.
I am not pushing anything. You are the one that came back a month later and sought out my old post to try and shove it in my face. You are the one that brought all this back up, including (if i remember correctly, sorry if not true) you wanting a very specific date to come back to talk to me. Why is my approval this important to you? At this point, let's be honest here, you are not going to stop seeing a great player, and I am not going to stop seeing the mistakes he is literally making on the screen in real time. Again, it helps when you make a completely dumb giveaway to a shooter and a vezina goalie is back there (kudos to demko and whoever has that signature line on the canucks forums of demko4vezina).
Most everyone agrees that this trade should work out well for both sides, which is awesome. But yet you keep coming back saying you " know what we know" about him from when he was a 24 YO on a bad team.
Again, I said it multiple times and I really hope you read this part and i will write it in all caps so you can clearly see it...I AGREE THAT IT WAS A GREAT TRADE FOR BOTH SIDES. I actually said that multiple times in previous pages on this thread and I even said it multiple times in the past day or however long this has been going on this week with you. I don't understand how you keep saying that I never said that?
Anyway, feel free to disagree all you want, I'm out.
I appreciate your offer of feeling free to disagree, as I obviously need your approval to do so...I think I told you to do the same a month ago, but who knows, you probably didn't see me write that too. Clearly, you do not read everything that is said and just pick and choose certain words to argue. That is fine. I agree to disagree! Ah, there's your approval you wanted!
 
I guess we can go point by point here to make it easier.

When you make an assumption you are making an ass out of yourself. You don't know me and don't know what I do. The same goes for me to you. So assuming I don't watch games is just wrong. I don't need to explain myself here, especially to you, on how you are wrong, so I can just leave it there.

I do not care if people agree with my takes. Plenty of people disagree and that is fine with me, it's called life. Get over it. You seem very upset that I don't agree with you and I am not sure why care so much for my approval.

Yes, I did say that. Then, when you came back a few days ago and asked me what I thought. I then told you what I thought. I said he has not shown the regression I was expecting and what most red wings fans expected....So that would actually be agreeing with you! I just didn't say it the way it makes YOU feel special, warm and gooey inside. Sorry I didn't do that for you. I never said he has had a huge regression. I said I expected it. I even said (again, i just said this to you) that he has not regressed the way I expected. I did say he is making the same mistakes and yes he is a byproduct of the team around him. In detroit, he did not have a vezina goalie, a norris partner, or a top 2 offense (much less a top 20 offense) in front of him. So, yes, that is helping him and his mistakes seem a lot more minimal that it was prior. This does not mean he isn't making the same mistakes, this means that his mistakes are being covered up better or could be making a little less mistakes. There's a difference somehwere there.

I am not pushing anything. You are the one that came back a month later and sought out my old post to try and shove it in my face. You are the one that brought all this back up, including (if i remember correctly, sorry if not true) you wanting a very specific date to come back to talk to me. Why is my approval this important to you? At this point, let's be honest here, you are not going to stop seeing a great player, and I am not going to stop seeing the mistakes he is literally making on the screen in real time. Again, it helps when you make a completely dumb giveaway to a shooter and a vezina goalie is back there (kudos to demko and whoever has that signature line on the canucks forums of demko4vezina).

Again, I said it multiple times and I really hope you read this part and i will write it in all caps so you can clearly see it...I AGREE THAT IT WAS A GREAT TRADE FOR BOTH SIDES. I actually said that multiple times in previous pages on this thread and I even said it multiple times in the past day or however long this has been going on this week with you. I don't understand how you keep saying that I never said that?

I appreciate your offer of feeling free to disagree, as I obviously need your approval to do so...I think I told you to do the same a month ago, but who knows, you probably didn't see me write that too. Clearly, you do not read everything that is said and just pick and choose certain words to argue. That is fine. I agree to disagree! Ah, there's your approval you wanted!
I didnt read that wall of text, but he is not "playing behind" the 2nd best offense. He is an active participant of that 2nd best offense, Hughes was nowhere as dominant offensively until this pairing. He took off from Fox tier to Makar tier thanks in part to Hronek. I did take into account of a drop off in play come January, because he did show a tendency of slowing down after the first 2 months in detroit. I was waiting for it, yet now its mid January, and hes raising his game while Hughes slowed down a little.

Some players have conditioning habits that lead to a drop off in play after a while, I THOUGHT he was one of those, but he is not showing any sign of that so far. The only world class asset that is "behind him" is his coaching staff, and this off season, they stressed coming into the season in top shape. At this point, the only knock on him, through no fault of his is that he is joined at the hip with Hughes. I do want to see him separated as an experiment, but then would you fault Rafalski for being paired with LIdstrom for all those years?

He's been lights out steller. The Toews that this organisation needed. While I wish ASP all the best, he is an unproven asset years away, and this team needed to take advantage of the prime of their core and contend now.
 
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Hronek and EP are the obvious priorities for Allvin this summer. I think he signs 6x8. I also don't believe there is a "Hughes" ceiling that needs to be protected. Hughes signed his deal after a terrible season, and will get paid his worth on his next contract.
So he will get Tyler Myers type money. Not sure if he will sign for that.
 
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