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Proposal: Value of Quinn Hughes

RedHawkDown said:
If Pettersson gets traded and the Canucks decide to rebuild, then Hughes might go too. That's the only situation where this happens.

There's no way they trade him for roster players as they'll lose that trade every time. If Hughes is gone Vancouver has to rebuild. Their GM essentially said that publicly too.

In a futures package I'd do ASP+Danielson+3 1sts but that gets beat easily.
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What is there to build around? Lekkerimaki? Young EP defence? There are no star players in the system, a lot of grinders and Tocchet type players.

The decision like so many lately, will happen via osmosis, just happen. Boeser, Suter, hearing Demko maybe, Toccet option not exercised and if they do they really want him?

So much chaos there now, Now Hughes is having the team building thrown on his shoulders, reports so far.
 
theguardianII said:
What is there to build around? Lekkerimaki? Young EP defence? There are no star players in the system, a lot of grinders and Tocchet type players.

The decision like so many lately, will happen via osmosis, just happen. Boeser, Suter, hearing Demko maybe, Toccet option not exercised and if they do they really want him?

So much chaos there now, Now Hughes is having the team building thrown on his shoulders, reports so far.
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There is nothing to build around ….thats why it would be called a REbuild…
 
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theguardianII said:
I am pretty sure it will be much closer to 21+ mil. Remember it will be 2027 and the cap will be 113.5 mil or more. And NJD can afford that then, easily. Just about every team could by then.

He might want to play there while his other brother, Jack, can still play. Whats he had? Three shoulder operations now?
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2 but yeah
Quinn can teach him how to stay outta harms way, their similar builds
 
theguardianII said:
If Quinn Hughes became available in a trade next year with one more full year at 7.85 mil what would he be worth?

Which team might take a run at him and what could they offer?

Canuck needs are for very young top six centers and wingers.
Canucks have many player issues including age and a dearth of depth at forward core star players.
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Rs would have to negotiate w/Quinn prior to facilitate acceptable multiyear deal in place
if that = yes
then something around LaF can be a discussion
 
theguardianII said:
If Quinn Hughes became available in a trade next year with one more full year at 7.85 mil what would he be worth?

Which team might take a run at him and what could they offer?

Canuck needs are for very young top six centers and wingers.
Canucks have many player issues including age and a dearth of depth at forward core star players.
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Defore thinking trading Hughes they need to trade Petterson before.
I called it NEVER Vancouver will win a Stanley cup with Petterson in the lineup
 
Sabres acquire Quinn Hughes + EP. VAN gets Kulich, Norris, Byram Helenius 2026+2027 first. Rebuild! Offensive play driving D to replace Hughes, top 6 C, potential top 6C, futures.
 
Peter Griffin said:
What is Laf then?
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Unless you value LaF more than currently stated, which I am not trying to extract from you, he is out of the equation

It would be Gabe P + for QH extended +
QH no extension = severely discounted rental prices since he is likely to consider Jersey
Rs have hope NJ is close enuf he can still hang w/his bro and might take deal for acceptable # of yrs
 
bernmeister said:
Unless you value LaF more than currently stated, which I am not trying to extract from you, he is out of the equation

It would be Gabe P + for QH extended +
QH no extension = severely discounted rental prices since he is likely to consider Jersey
Rs have hope NJ is close enuf he can still hang w/his bro and might take deal for acceptable # of yrs
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Any team would have a full year to discuss an extension, if it is a no then what is his value as a rental at the TDL? Especially if that team has added cap space to load up? Look at what Rantenen just got and Hughes has a bigger impact as a #1 dman being #1 or #2 in the league as a dman over the last 5 year period.

A lot of posters/fans don't see him much so no doubt their perceptions of him are less than the west coaster or conference teams.
 
StewieP19 said:
Defore thinking trading Hughes they need to trade Petterson before.
I called it NEVER Vancouver will win a Stanley cup with Petterson in the lineup
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Why do they HAVE to? If they did get McKenna and, a prayer here, traded down to get Misa then EP40 becomes a mentor and has to dynamic players to possibly play on his line. EP40 is a not bad defensive player and does pass the puck.

Not saying not to but just it might not be necessary, but the team should know before the draft, July 1 if they can't make a deal.
Just really hopeful they don't trade their 1rst for another teams cast off. Funny if the other team has faith in the player why trade him? The added cap space makes needing cap space irrelevant now so that would not be a reason.
 
theguardianII said:
Any team would have a full year to discuss an extension, if it is a no then what is his value as a rental at the TDL? Especially if that team has added cap space to load up? Look at what Rantenen just got and Hughes has a bigger impact as a #1 dman being #1 or #2 in the league as a dman over the last 5 year period.

A lot of posters/fans don't see him much so no doubt their perceptions of him are less than the west coaster or conference teams.
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High end assets command high value
but there is also reward-risk in the equation
I would not pay top $ for QH or anyone else -- even if I have a full yr as you say -- b'c then the player has all the cards and full control and if I pay and he walks, my team is screwed
There are only 2 options here
he agrees to multi year deal first, which gets instantly executed before immediately being traded
or
I take him as is w/more risk with less price paid to you

you decide

but no top $ for no full risk abatement
 
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bernmeister said:
High end assets command high value
but there is also reward-risk in the equation
I would not pay top $ for QH or anyone else -- even if I have a full yr as you say -- b'c then the player has all the cards and full control and if I pay and he walks, my team is screwed
There are only 2 options here
he agrees to multi year deal first, which gets instantly executed before immediately being traded
or
I take him as is w/more risk with less price paid to you

you decide

but no top $ for no full risk abatement
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Well if it was obvious immediately they could flip him at the 2026 draft because my idea is just to get McKenna because this team's need is for a new core of young stars or they need 5 more forwards and the Hughes, Demko and other teams to take a, or more step(s) backwards. In other words other teams to get bad rather than this team getting better.

Waiting until Hughes contract has expired is a guarantee his value if totally gone, waiting until the last week of his contract makes his value almost nothing, who trades value for a week of negotiating?

Another way of thinking of this is TIME, they get instant stardom likely on a team that already has several young stars and the boost in the market and in the standings, immediately, maybe even a cup run

What you are basically saying is don't trade him at all and let him walk for nothing because if they wait until the last week of his contract and is still unsigned he is worthless in a trade, maybe a late pick so a team has the first crack to sign him after. The writing is on the wall by then and the Canucks have lost all leverage.
The Canucks and the whole NHL will now if he re-signs well before it happens, JTMiller was re-signed a full year before his contract ran out, there are many whose are. If he doesn't re-sign early then he is gone, period. That last year would be bad in Vancouver knowing he isn't staying for a whole year. The impact on the management's failure would be ...negative?
 
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theguardianII said:
Well if it was obvious immediately they could flip him at the 2026 draft because my idea is just to get McKenna because this team's need is for a new core of young stars or they need 5 more forwards and the Hughes, Demko and other teams to take a, or more step(s) backwards. In other words other teams to get bad rather than this team getting better.

Waiting until Hughes contract has expired is a guarantee his value if totally gone, waiting until the last week of his contract makes his value almost nothing, who trades value for a week of negotiating?

What you are basically saying is don't trade him at all and let him walk for nothing.
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no not necessarily

consider the Rangers and Buchnevich
they stupidly self rented him when team had zero chance of going anywhere.

I said, he shows ability, he has great value on production vs term on his contract
they did not listen to me
Rs waited, his production went up slightly/slightly+ while his $$ was similar but term declined
In the end, they had to let him go for fraction of what his rfa commanded
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I am saying there is reward-risk
how much you alleviate my risk entitles you to demand more
How much you do not entitled me to pay you less.

that is it in a nutshell

The other aspect is a smaller framing of just Gabe P and Quinn H, or if it is a larger package

I think Rs should look at moving Shesty if return is high enuf
 
bernmeister said:
High end assets command high value
but there is also reward-risk in the equation
I would not pay top $ for QH or anyone else -- even if I have a full yr as you say -- b'c then the player has all the cards and full control and if I pay and he walks, my team is screwed
There are only 2 options here
he agrees to multi year deal first, which gets instantly executed before immediately being traded
or
I take him as is w/more risk with less price paid to you

you decide

but no top $ for no full risk abatement
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Fortunately for the Canucks, it’s not bern they would be negotiating with.
 
I feel like legacy is important for Quinn Hughes, if he stays in Vancouver, he’s gonna be basically a legend in the city and go down as the best player ever to put on the jersey.
 
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