Proposal: Value of Quinn Hughes

[Coffee]

Maybe I'm missing something but why doesn't Jersey wait until Quinnis just an UFA abd sign him

It’s more of a courtesy thing. Trading for Quinn shows humility and that’s New Jersey tipping it’s hat to what Hughes has done so far.

There’s no tactical advantage. You guys are the Devils after all, so hey I understand if not

 

[Diablo2020]

Maybe I'm missing something but why doesn't Jersey wait until Quinnis just an UFA abd sign him

I totally get why this is repeated over and over again every single year for numerous players and reasons.

But in a league where management shelf life is fairly small (Will Fitz still be the GM July2028)..

In a league where out of the blue Florida types dont mess around and pry Matthew Tkachuk out of thin air...

In a league where Vegas is capable of anything..

In a league where Guentzel was just traded twice..

In a league where Rantanen was just traded twice..

Do fans really think their GM wont strike while the iron is hot? A player like Hughes becomes available, NJD have the inside track for reasons, you can guarantee they are in the running.

Hamilton, Nemec, Casey, Mercer wouldnt be missed and Devils would sell 5,000,000 in jerseys in a week.

 

[Cancuks]

He'll be re-signed and given the biggest contract in defenseman history. Probably looking at $14 million a year and NJ can't afford that, nor do I think Hughes want to take icetime away from his younger brother.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Teams would just wait the year to see what happens in free agency. Why give the canucks anything?

When has a Quinn hughes level player hit ufa? Teams always pay to get them and they re-sign unless the team is carolina

 

[nergish]

What are “old school values”? He gonna Make Vancouver Great Again?

Don’t f*cking start with that moronic rhetoric.

I meant he is trying to forge a career like a Sidney Crosby. He’s a loyal, committed cat. Mutually beneficial relationship between the city and player.
Hughes has spoken countless times about the treatment he gets in Van. He loves Foote, Tochett, Sedins, JR.

Notice how Brock, Petey, Thatcher were not traded? Those are his closest work buddies, who are all pretty exceptional dudes in many aspects. Quinn is a humble guy but wants to see things done the right way, and the Canucks have given him everything without hesitation.

Unless the losing gets really really really bad, Quinn Hughes will be a Canuck for life.

 

[Oneiro]

NJ will wait for UFA. Quinn as traded as a deadline piece, no extension. Vancouver rebuild begins again.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Evan Bouchard + Savoie

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I totally get why this is repeated over and over again every single year for numerous players and reasons.

But in a league where management shelf life is fairly small (Will Fitz still be the GM July2028)..

In a league where out of the blue Florida types dont mess around and pry Matthew Tkachuk out of thin air...

In a league where Vegas is capable of anything..

In a league where Guentzel was just traded twice..

In a league where Rantanen was just traded twice..

Do fans really think their GM wont strike while the iron is hot? A player like Hughes becomes available, NJD have the inside track for reasons, you can guarantee they are in the running.

Hamilton, Nemec, Casey, Mercer wouldnt be missed and Devils would sell 5,000,000 in jerseys in a week.

When has a Quinn hughes level player hit ufa? Teams always pay to get them and they re-sign unless the team is carolina

Yep. Secure them then and there.

One thing to add is Jack Hughes is on his contract so long. Having a team around a Quinn Hughes worth double his contract and his brother is also damn close to that.

Luke is still cheap.
That's a team with a couple year window to really push a weak Metro. Heck another year of Atlantic beating each other up. Id definitely think my window opened with Hughes.

 

[Diablo2020]

Don’t f*cking start with that moronic rhetoric.

I meant he is trying to forge a career like a Sidney Crosby. He’s a loyal, committed cat. Mutually beneficial relationship between the city and player.
Hughes has spoken countless times about the treatment he gets in Van. He loves Foote, Tochett, Sedins, JR.

Notice how Brock, Petey, Thatcher were not traded? Those are his closest work buddies, who are all pretty exceptional dudes in many aspects. Quinn is a humble guy but wants to see things done the right way, and the Canucks have given him everything without hesitation.

Unless the losing gets really really really bad, Quinn Hughes will be a Canuck for life.

As a fellow Canuck fan this is about to get embarssing for the next couple years so I just wanna throw out a disclaimer or two.

1. We were scorned by Pavel Bure. We tried to pay the guy in CDN dollars once, we called Gretzky at 1am demanding him to sign, we deserved every bit of our fate.

2. We couldnt dare rebuild while the Twins were active. In fact we also brought in his closest international buddy in Loui Eriksson to appease our leaders. Again, scorned but deserving of every bit of our fate.

So now your going to hear this rhetoric of how Quinn, coming from one of hockeys royalty families, and spending his entire life on the east coast, is ride or die for Vancouver.

Im sorry in advance. Its gonna be brutal realizing we somehow wasted a talent like Quinn Hughes, and we're going to fight to the death to convince ourselves otherwise.

The point above about Quinn not wanting to take away from Luke is a great one though and something I have never seen mentioned once and actually makes alot of sense.

 

[WiLBoY]

You simply don't trade these kind of players. He is by far the one of the most talented Canuck I've seen in 20+ years

 

[Diablo2020]

You simply don't trade these kind of players. He is by far the one of the most talented Canuck I've seen in 20+ years

While he's at that peak is kinda why they need to consider it though, IMO.

A complete franchise rebuild\retool in one or two trades.

You could pretty much guarantee the pieces in the original EK deal if you shopped Hughes THIS offseason.

• 2018-Sep-13 Traded from Ottawa Senators with Francis Perron to San Jose Sharks for Josh Norris, Rudolfs Balcers, Chris Tierney, Dylan DeMelo, round 2 pick in the 2019 draft (Jamieson Rees), conditional round 1 pick in the 2020 draft (Tim Stutzle), conditional round 2 pick in the 2021 draft (Zack Ostapchuk) and conditional round 1 pick in the 2022 draft

Not the pick that "could" become Stutzle, you make sure you guarantee that top3 pick because its Hughes.

Not just any old Josh Norris former 1st rounder, you could probably pinpoint the one you really want because Quinn is that valuable.

Probably get a better stopgap Tierney in return.

Another Demelo type back but maybe even better as well.

Maybe a Rudolfs with a better future.

Two more high 2nds to add to a otherwise lackluster pool.

And heck, the extra conditional 1st isnt conditional because its Quinn Hughes your trading.

8 quarters for our Dollar. EK got 7, and today you wouldnt trade Stutzle alone for a half retained EK.

 

[tfwnogf]

When has a Quinn hughes level player hit ufa? Teams always pay to get them and they re-sign unless the team is carolina

I wouldn't get your hopes up. He's most likely going to NJ..

 

[Breakers]

Nemec as a return?

YUCK

Dude sucks, so casual and has zero compete and he is soft

 

[Huggy]

NJ really havnt shown a thing in the playoffs. then lose their 1c and start cratering hard.

Canucks basically played 1 legged and 1 armed all season and just barely miss the playoffs.

Def isnt going anywhere and OP is a well known negative nancy on the Canucks boards.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Lol ASP is gonna be a slightly better defensively Ghost

lol asp is gonna be a slightly better defensively orr

 

[HBK27]

The point above about Quinn not wanting to take away from Luke is a great one though and something I have never seen mentioned once and actually makes alot of sense.

I'm sure Luke would gladly sacrifice some ice time for the opportunity to play with both of his brothers while also greatly increasing his chances of winning a Cup. He should hopefully be signed to an 8-year extension this offseason, so it's not like it would impact his contract either.

 

[Smitty426]

I totally get why this is repeated over and over again every single year for numerous players and reasons.

But in a league where management shelf life is fairly small (Will Fitz still be the GM July2028)..

In a league where out of the blue Florida types dont mess around and pry Matthew Tkachuk out of thin air...

In a league where Vegas is capable of anything..

In a league where Guentzel was just traded twice..

In a league where Rantanen was just traded twice..

Do fans really think their GM wont strike while the iron is hot? A player like Hughes becomes available, NJD have the inside track for reasons, you can guarantee they are in the running.

Hamilton, Nemec, Casey, Mercer wouldnt be missed and Devils would sell 5,000,000 in jerseys in a week.

But the ace card is they dont have to do anything. Vegas sneaks in and gets him for the rest of his current contract (very likely scenario). Yes they work out a great deal, I still assume his heart is to go play with his brothers, no matter what. If NJ was still in rebuild mode, maybe. They are on the cusp (fianlly) of being like the Avs and ready to compete for years (has taken at least 2 yrs too ling already!) and Luke is starting to show that Hamilton does not need to be leaned on as much. Hamilton's full nmc moves to a # of teams. I am not advocating for a trade but its not a horrible move (and I am a big Dougie fan, people underestinate him and what he brings). Quinn is more likely to be a Dev than any otehr scenario, even if he's moved! The family bond is too much. And teh marketing is a dream come true for Jersey!

 

[Coffee]

But the ace card is they dont have to do anything. Vegas sneaks in and gets him for the rest of his current contract (very likely scenario). Yes they work out a great deal, I still assume his heart is to go play with his brothers, no matter what. If NJ was still in rebuild mode, maybe. They are on the cusp (fianlly) of being like the Avs and ready to compete for years (has taken at least 2 yrs too ling already!) and Luke is starting to show that Hamilton does not need to be leaned on as much. Hamilton's full nmc moves to a # of teams. I am not advocating for a trade but its not a horrible move (and I am a big Dougie fan, people underestinate him and what he brings). Quinn is more likely to be a Dev than any otehr scenario, even if he's moved! The family bond is too much. And teh marketing is a dream come true for Jersey!

Courtesy

 

[Smitty426]

Courtesy

I dont think they "need" to be courteous, they have his brothers to work that angle. "We want you to come to Jersey" every team would say that for him because of his skills. I get it, Ijust dont thnk its neccesary.

separately, I actually see them moving a pkg of Nemec and Mercer for another top 6 forward this summer.

 

[Mr Nogatco]

Don’t f*cking start with that moronic rhetoric.

I meant he is trying to forge a career like a Sidney Crosby. He’s a loyal, committed cat. Mutually beneficial relationship between the city and player.
Hughes has spoken countless times about the treatment he gets in Van. He loves Foote, Tochett, Sedins, JR.

Notice how Brock, Petey, Thatcher were not traded? Those are his closest work buddies, who are all pretty exceptional dudes in many aspects. Quinn is a humble guy but wants to see things done the right way, and the Canucks have given him everything without hesitation.

Unless the losing gets really really really bad, Quinn Hughes will be a Canuck for life.

I thought Brock wasn’t traded because no one would pay a 1st for him?

 

[theguardianII]

Just for a little clarification

Quinn's contract ends in the summer of 2027, two years.

IMO his highest value is while he has one more year left.

My OCD is for the team to trade for the #1 pick in the 2026 draft. A bottom team will do this for the instant bump in marketing and TIME. McKenna might need 2 years to become the super star if he can be most likely.
A bottom team that did make that trade would have that year, the marketing bump and improvement in the standings and then could trade him at the TDL to Jersey if he refuses to sign to compensate in numbers that would help their team now, TIME.

I don't think it would be NJD that can make that trade.
What the Canucks would need is to replace the core.

I don't know if I accidentally drank the koolaid and have over rated him but he is playing almost half the game and has the highest points per game, or second, of all defenceman in the league now for 3 years and he is just entering his prime.

The last 3 years plus this season Hughes playing on a poor team has 306 points in 296 games.
Only Makar playing on a very good team has more in that time frame 329 points in 289 games.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

At what point does the cost to acquire a single player becomes higher than what said player can bring to a team?

No matter who the acquiring player is and no matter how good that player is, there is always a breaking point.

So long as it isn't off their active roster, for some players, there is no limit. Take a team like Toronto. You think they care one bit about sucking 5-6 years from now because they have no prospect pool if it meant getting Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar on top of the offensive depth they have?

If Draitsatl didn't sign his extension, he'd be the most expensive rental in the past decade. And he wouldn't come cheap because Edmonton would have at least 5-6 teams all trying to make it work.

Getting Hughes two years before he's a UFA not only gives you two cracks at the cup with one of the best defensemen in the league, but two years to convince him your team and roster is one he can win with.

 

[Xerloris]

I get it, if he makes it to UFA then he is probably going to NJ but what if he didn't? How much would you be willing to throw at him to get him to sign with your team? I as a Blues fan that would never pay McDavid or Drai what they are currently being paid think I would more than happily throw 15x7 at him.

 

[RedHawkDown]

If Pettersson gets traded and the Canucks decide to rebuild, then Hughes might go too. That's the only situation where this happens.

There's no way they trade him for roster players as they'll lose that trade every time. If Hughes is gone Vancouver has to rebuild. Their GM essentially said that publicly too.

In a futures package I'd do ASP+Danielson+3 1sts but that gets beat easily.

 

[theguardianII]

He'll be re-signed and given the biggest contract in defenseman history. Probably looking at $14 million a year and NJ can't afford that, nor do I think Hughes want to take icetime away from his younger brother.

I am pretty sure it will be much closer to 21+ mil. Remember it will be 2027 and the cap will be 113.5 mil or more. And NJD can afford that then, easily. Just about every team could by then.

He might want to play there while his other brother, Jack, can still play. Whats he had? Three shoulder operations now?