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Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

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Keep or Trade - Siakam

  • Trade

    Votes: 63 90.0%

  • Re-Sign

    Votes: 7 10.0%
  • Total voters
    70
  • Poll closed .

DuklaNation

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VC's trade demands led to an early season ulgy performance that made him look awful. He also tried to influence team roster decisions and even the front office. Now, the management/ownership were both a mess also. Just cut your losses early and trade the player ASAP. Instead they got a terrible return. I place the blame 50/50 on both parties so I have mixed feelings about his number being retired.

FYI, it was worse behind the scenes.
 
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Bjindaho said:
Vince was a 6 time all-star and the leader of that team. And even with that resume, Vince was MORE important off the court for Toronto. That's why his number is being retired.

Lowry was the leader on that run and for that he is going to be given the same honor soon enough.
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Vince was very important for sure but I think putting him in the Canadian Basketball HOF is appropriate recognition as far as that goes. If I had to choose one player who's number to retire, it would be Lowry, but I honestly don't think anyone's done enough to have their number retired. JMHO.
 

Bjindaho

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Gary Nylund said:
Vince was very important for sure but I think putting him in the Canadian Basketball HOF is appropriate recognition as far as that goes. If I had to choose one player who's number to retire, it would be Lowry, but I honestly don't think anyone's done enough to have their number retired. JMHO.
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Vince Carter is about to become the first player to go into the Hall of Fame as a Raptor.
 
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Bjindaho said:
Personally, I like what the Leafs do where they hang numbers from the rafters but let others wear it.

That being said, the team is going to honor its first hall of famer.
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Not sure that's what the Leafs do but whatever. But yeah, happy to see Vince in the HOF!
 

Bjindaho

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Deebo said:
The Leafs retired all those numbers a few years ago,
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Sorry, as a non-Leafs fan, I missed that.

I grew up on the idea that the Leafs retired numbers were 6 (Bailey) and 5 (Barilko) which made a ton of sense. Retiring the other numbers is stupid
 
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DuklaNation said:
VC's trade demands led to an early season ulgy performance that made him look awful. He also tried to influence team roster decisions and even the front office. Now, the management/ownership were both a mess also. Just cut your losses early and trade the player ASAP. Instead they got a terrible return. I place the blame 50/50 on both parties so I have mixed feelings about his number being retired.

FYI, it was worse behind the scenes.
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Thing is, 47 year old Vince now knows he acted poorly. The organization has changed a lot too since that time. They are a top class franchise now. I think its’ gonna be great having his number up there hanging at Scotiabank Arena.
 

DuklaNation

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stickty111 said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1839735277616804070
Congrats to Vince. Well deserved. Tears show a lot and honestly people need to let the past be the past. Good to finally close this chapter for all parties, and do the right thing. He put us to the NBA world and is an icon to the country
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Closure? That is for the weak. My thoughts are many behaved poorly during that phase including Vince. Ultimately its on management to handle these situations better. Retiring a number has zero impact to me personally.
 
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Fully deserved and it’ll be unique watching a player retirement/honour ceremony on a Saturday night in Toronto that isn’t a former Leafs player.

First time the Raptors are doing this….without VC, I don’t think basketball catches on in Canada.

The Raptors might not have ended up like Vancouver, but it wouldn’t be the brand and craze it is today. There’s a culture now of going to Raptors games on Friday nights, similar to a Leafs game on Saturday night.

Almost every Canadian basketball player right now in the NBA say Vince was their inspiration. I remember in school as kids we all knew who Vince Carter was, and I didn’t even watch basketball back then.

Everyone wanted the Vince Carter Nike Shox. There was a rumour that the “springs” in the shoe could make you jump high like Vince. I was one of them.

This will be similar to watch like the Sundin retirement.
 
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Bjindaho

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horner said:
What's the draft like this year
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Extremely good top end.

The thing about this team is that if someone emerges as a 5th starter, the first 5 solidifies and this team is pretty damn good. They have some quality on the second unit.

The most important thing about this year will be trying to find coherent groups that can play together so the team isn't a 5 man unit and pray that the team doesn't cough up the lead as they leave the floor. The dream would be Darko playing an actual second unit, getting them to the point where they can provide some quality minutes as a 5 man unit, and allow him to mix and match based on opponent.

All of Walter, Mogbo, Shead and Chomche need G league time this year, but all 4 should also get some minutes when they are with the Raptors.
 
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Suntouchable13 said:
I don’t even worry about tanking or not tanking. Just want to enjoy watching an exciting young team play. Let the chips fall where they may. And Jak doesn't mean they are not going to try to win every game, just balance development and winning.
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Who is gone at the trade deadline.
The tank will begin then.
 
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