Raptors Discussion: v97 Raptor's 2024-2025 - Training camp begins Oct. 1

Keep or Trade - Siakam

  • Trade

    Votes: 63 90.0%
  • Re-Sign

    Votes: 7 10.0%

  • Total voters
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trellaine201

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I don’t understand some professional teams that let players go for zilch. Didn’t the Raptors foresee this? It’s not like they were doing anything in the playoffs. What a waste.
 

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Cason Wallace, 19

The six-foot-two Kentucky freshman guard could develop into an above-average on-the-ball defender, and it’s not like the Raptors are overflowing with guards who have that skill. More of a passer in one college season limited by back issues, he does seem to be a hustle-type defender, which is a skill that should translate to the NBA.

Kobe Bufkin, 19

The six-foot-four Michigan sophomore guard isn’t a wonderful shooter, but he’s thought to be highly competitive, explosive with the ball and able to get past defenders. Putting pressure on collapsing defences was an issue for the Raptors. Bufkin’s rail thin, but he’s also a teenager, so that shouldn’t be an issue.

Keyonte George, 19

The six-foot-four Baylor freshman guard may be a bit on the small size for a combo guard, which is where he likely ends up. Not a great shooter in one college season, but he could be a scoring threat on a young, torn-down roster if that’s the way the Raptors go. Not sure he’d be a top choice if all five of these guys are available.

Gradey Dick, 19

The six-foot-six Kansas freshman wing can shoot, and the Raptors as a team didn’t shoot nearly well enough this past season. For that reason alone, he’s got to be on their radar. He was a good and willing passer against college competition in one season. Who knows if that would transfer against consistently bigger, stronger, faster, better competition.

Bilal Coulibaly, 18

The six-foot-six wing from Metropolitans 92 in France isn’t nearly as acclaimed as teammate Victor Wembanyama, the consensus No. 1 prospect, but the teenager is rocketing up draft boards. He’s raw — his shooting needs a ton of work — but with a seven-foot-two wingspan and freaky good speed, his potential is great. And having played against professionals in the top French league has to count for something.
 

Eyedea

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I don’t understand some professional teams that let players go for zilch. Didn’t the Raptors foresee this? It’s not like they were doing anything in the playoffs. What a waste.

Salaries usually prevent teams from trading and/or acquiring anything of similar value. What would Fred have returned? Salary dump(s), perhaps expiring contracts, and a late 1st?
 

Bjindaho

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Salaries usually prevent teams from trading and/or acquiring anything of similar value. What would Fred have returned? Salary dump(s), perhaps expiring contracts, and a late 1st?
Here are some of the speculated possible trades from the trade deadline:

Regardless of any picks attached, he'd bring back some serious long term complications to our salary structure.

One of the rumors floating around is that Phoenix might be interested. They would include Chris Paul in a sign and trade (because they have to), on top of the compensation for the upgrade. Paul has a partially guaranteed deal for this year and a non-guaranteed one for next (though Toronto would likely want him for both since this would be part of a re-tool and potential stopgap).
 

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The Toronto Raptors announced Tuesday they have named Darko Rajaković (rye-ahk-oe-vich) as head coach. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not released. Rajaković becomes the 10th head coach in franchise history, after spending the past three seasons as an assistant coach with the Memphis Grizzlies.

“We’re entering a new era – one where we are embracing new ideas, a new attitude, and now a new head coach – but our goals remain the same. A championship. Winning,” Raptors Vice-Chairman and President Masai Ujiri said. “Darko shares those goals, and our belief in culture, professionalism, and hard work. His commitment to both learning and teaching our game is elite, and we are all very excited to welcome him to the Raptors family.”

A native of Serbia, Rajaković was an assistant coach with the Phoenix Suns for one season (2019-20) following seven years (2012-19) with the Oklahoma City Thunder organization, where he served as an assistant coach for five seasons (2014-19). The Thunder averaged 49 wins during his five years on the coaching staff, with four playoff appearances - including a trip to the 2016 Western Conference Finals.

Rajaković joined the Thunder in 2012 as head coach of the team’s then G League affiliate, the Tulsa 66ers, becoming the first head coach born outside North America in league history. In two seasons (2012-14) at the helm of the 66ers, the team posted a 51-49 record (.510) and reached the G League semifinals in 2013. While serving as Tulsa’s head coach, he was also included as one of the Thunder’s assistant coaches at the 2014 NBA All-Star Game in New Orleans.

“To join and to lead an elite organization like the Raptors is what I have been working for my entire professional life,” Rajaković said. “This is an amazing opportunity, to join a franchise with a supportive ownership group, fantastic front office and fanbase, and elite players. I’m looking forward to the journey ahead as we work together to achieve our goals: development, playoffs, championships.”


Prior to joining Oklahoma City, Rajaković was the head coach of Espacio Torrelodones in Spain for three successful seasons (2009-12), where he led the team to the championship of the Primera Division de Baloncesto in Madrid in his first year. From 2004-11, he also served as European scouting consultant and NBA Summer League assistant coach for the San Antonio Spurs.
 

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Toronto Raptors Introduce Head Coach Darko Rajaković | June 13, 2023

Toronto Raptors Vice-Chairman and President Masai Ujiri welcomes Head Coach Darko Rajaković to fans and media in Toronto.
 

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Don't get me wrong.... i think Van Vleet is pretty trash and plays with a giant napoleon complex to his detriment, but does he actually stand to make MORE than $23 million as a free agent?

I mean personally i thought he was dramatically overpaid.
 

Bjindaho

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Don't get me wrong.... i think Van Vleet is pretty trash and plays with a giant napoleon complex to his detriment, but does he actually stand to make MORE than $23 million as a free agent?

I mean personally i thought he was dramatically overpaid.
Yes, he absolutely will.

He is better than Paul at this point (who makes 30M).
 
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saska sault

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Don't get me wrong.... i think Van Vleet is pretty trash and plays with a giant napoleon complex to his detriment, but does he actually stand to make MORE than $23 million as a free agent?

I mean personally i thought he was dramatically overpaid.

Definitely. Plus he wants multiple years for guaranteed income, the risk of playing out the option made no sense.

As for the trades, I don't think many understand how NBA salary caps and trades work. Unless a team has an abundance of salary cap space, the salaries involved in a trade need to match pretty closely.. Find anyone who had the space that would have picked up Fred. Or the teams contending that could have acquired him, who would they include and does that team even have any picks to offer?
 
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Cor

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I don't understand still being upset over the deadline. The rumored trades for FVV were trash. He was never going to return a haul.

Would I have made the trade for Poeltl? Probably not, but Masai was just giving this roster one last jolt to see what they can do. I am also not convinced that Poeltl won't be sticking around. So I don't think its a scenario where we trade for him and then let him go.

There may end up being sign-and-trade opportunities for FVV and GTJ, but the big trade piece was always going to be Siakam. That is the trade to nail.
 
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Eyedea

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Definitely. Plus he wants multiple years for guaranteed income, the risk of playing out the option made no sense.

As for the trades, I don't think many understand how NBA salary caps and trades work. Unless a team has an abundance of salary cap space, the salaries involved in a trade need to match pretty closely.. Find anyone who had the space that would have picked up Fred. Or the teams contending that could have acquired him, who would they include and does that team even have any picks to offer?

And an abundance of salary cap space, especially during the season is extremely rare. Majority of teams operate over the soft cap and basically all teams operate with less than 20m in room. That means every team would have had to add someone with significant salary for a trade, and majority of them would have had to match the $21.25m FVV was owed. And then when teams do get that cap space, the money gets eaten up by the Walker's, the Brunson's, and the Brogdon's of the NBA.
 

Eyedea

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I don't understand still being upset over the deadline. The rumored trades for FVV were trash. He was never going to return a haul.

Would I have made the trade for Poeltl? Probably not, but Masai was just giving this roster one last jolt to see what they can do. I am also not convinced that Poeltl won't be sticking around. So I don't think its a scenario where we trade for him and then let him go.

There may end up being sign-and-trade opportunities for FVV and GTJ, but the big trade piece was always going to be Siakam. That is the trade to nail.

And I'd imagine Darko would like to re-sign Poeltl since he's a big with great vision like Steven Adams (who he's had experience working with).
 

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