Raptors Discussion: v93 | Panic level rising significantly

[robertmac43]

I knew Norm was shooting well, didn't realize he was this accurate:

 

[donghabs98]

Was hoping to get a 1st back in a deal but I like Trent, he's still young.

 

[Greek_physique]

Well if that’s the trades Masai is going to make I’d rather not have him make trades. Brutal.

lol..sure

 

[stickty111]

Fine by me. If teams won't pay enough to get Kyle, he can stay

 

[Greek_physique]

He’s 5 years younger than Norm, plays good D and shoots the 3 well. I like this trade, gotta think Hood doesn’t fit in. Not sure what Trent being an RFA means in regard to resigning him

Better control for us...norm was gonna ask for a lot, and we didn't need to be attached to that.

 

[Madap]

It’s a business. So it complicates things. You can’t put your feelings into things or you fail. You sit down with Lowry and explain to him how he’s been the best Raptor of all time and you want to help him win a championship again and that it won’t be here due to lack of talent surrounding him.

I do see what you’re saying, and I’m not even necessarily disagreeing. But I can see the other side too. There is a benefit to keeping players, particularly when they are the greatest of all time for your team. Even if he walks at the end of the season, we showed him a level of respect that he deserves. I do think that’s worth something to the other players who play on our team and to future players as well.

So I would also be totally fine with getting nothing for him if he wanted to stay. It seems like he wants to go though so we don’t have to worry about that I guess

 

[Madap]

Why he prefer to stay for another 25ish games on a non-playoff team who plays every game on the road, over taking a run at another championship?

Even if he really wants to stay a Raptor, he could take this trade and come back in the summer.

Staying makes no sense for Kyle no matter how loyal he is.

Just a hypothetical for discussion’s sake. He probably does want another shot to win.

 

[trellaine201]

Looks like holding up the league worked.

 

[sparxx87]

Trent is already one of the better guard/wing defenders in the game at 22. Great athlete and intense competitor with room to grow on the offensive end.

I like this trade a lot.

 

[Greek_physique]

Looks like holding up the league worked.

Still a few hours left..patience

 

[ER89]

Better control for us...norm was gonna ask for a lot, and we didn't need to be attached to that.

You realize trent rejected a 54/4 deal right? So hes likely asking for 15-17 himself?

 

[stickty111]

 

[Greek_physique]

You realize trent rejected a 54/4 deal right? So hes likely asking for 15-17 himself?

Yes, I realize that..Powell will opt-out this year, no way he accepts that player option.

Norm will get more then that..and IMO, I wouldn't touch that deal with the Raps.

 

[Greek_physique]

We all got upset when we didn't run it back with Leonard...looks like the Clippers will do that with Lowry and Ibaka

 

[djdev]

i trust masai but im not sure i understand the powell move..no picks reallly?

 

[Phion Keneuf]

i trust masai but im not sure i understand the powell move..no picks reallly?

Give me the 22 year old starter-caliber player over picks any day.
Trent has solid D and can shoot the ball well. Good pickup

 

[ER89]

Yes, I realize that..Powell will opt-out this year, no way he accepts that player option.

Norm will get more then that..and IMO, I wouldn't touch that deal with the Raps.

Obviously norm will opt-out but he likely costs 20m ish. So for 3-4mm more you're going to give up a better player? Maybe trent does become better, but i'd rather the firsts and cap space any day of the week. This also doesn't help our tank as much as trent is decent.

 

[ryno23]

I would do a Zubac for Lowry. Zubac is a nice young player obviously you will need salaries to match up

 

[djdev]

Give me the 22 year old starter-caliber player over picks any day.
Trent has solid D and can shoot the ball well. Good pickup

im not sold, i hope im wrong. at least hes only 22. but i was really hoping for a pick.

 

[chaosrevolver]

I like Trent a lot. Solid move to get a bit younger and really a late 1st...we'd be hoping they'd turn out to be someone like Trent value wise.

 

[Clark4Ever]

i trust masai but im not sure i understand the powell move..no picks reallly?

Trent is only 22 and is trending in the same direction as Powell did a few years ago. Upon further reflection, it seems like a beneficial move for the Raps to retool, get younger, and remain competitive.

 

[Greek_physique]

Obviously norm will opt-out but he likely costs 20m ish. So for 3-4mm more you're going to give up a better player? Maybe trent does become better, but i'd rather the firsts and cap space any day of the week. This also doesn't help our tank as much as trent is decent.

IMO, with a healthy roster..I dont know if Norm is a starter. Trent gives us another dimension - solid defensively and can rebound.

I don't think getting a 1st (late one) does anything for the Raptors...and if we get cap space, that does what? We spend it on another iffy player that won't really push the needle?

This trade gives us another body and can still re-tool. We will now get picks for KL, instead of having to replace 2 roster players.

 

[GoonieFace]

I’m thinking they keep Lowry now.

who cares, we got Rodney Hood

 

[djdev]

Trent is only 22 and is trending in the same direction as Powell did a few years ago. Upon further reflection, it seems like a beneficial move for the Raps to retool, get younger, and remain competitive.

i mean masai just traded norm for somebody whos gonna ask for 15m per this summer who we hope can become norm one day lol, i can see why they did it but i dont really get it personally.

edit: to be clear im not saying its bad per se, i just didnt expect it, jury out still..could end up poorly.

 

[BlueForever75]

Sad to see Powell go. But like the deal. I really like Trent, really can develop into a Powell type player. So to me its a good swap. And the throw in of Hood isnt exactly garbage. He's been an average player and an option off the bench this year and next as hes signed. Maybe Nurse can get him going.

I like the deal.