Confirmed with Link: Utah signs Kevin Stenlund to 2-year contract ($2M AAV)

[Jakey53]

Your memory is so special. I love that you just invented a narrative that you believe faceoffs are important and I believe they are not important. That wasn’t the argument. Obviously. That’s far too ridiculous to be an argument.

The argument was this; it’s ok to have 1 center who’s below average on draws (around 45%) if the team overall is good at faceoffs. That 5% fewer FO wins from a single center is inconsequential over 82 games if the rest of the team is above average.

Which is obviously correct. I’m right. You’re wrong. But I’ll enjoy seeing what alternate reality you imagine next.


He’s a helluva lot better at hockey than Lawson Crouse, I’ll give him that.

Ok smart ass, why don't you three amigo's get Bear or BA on your podcast and ask them how important faceoff's are? Maybe they can talk some sense into you. It's more than %'s as you say, way more. Stop moving the goal posts. Almost every team has a C under 50%. My argument is that faceoffs are an important part of the game, period. Do you agree or not? A simple yes or no answer.

 

[LittlePipes]

Where’s the joy ?

 

[rt]

Ok smart ass, why don't you three amigo's get Bear or BA on your podcast and ask them how important faceoff's are? Maybe they can talk some sense into you. It's more than %'s as you say, way more. Stop moving the goal posts. Almost every team has a C under 50%. My argument is that faceoffs are an important part of the game, period. Do you agree or not? A simple yes or no answer.

Of course. I have never said faceoffs aren’t important. Obviously they are. That was never the argument.

You can’t honestly think that there’s a long standing argument between you and I where I’m claiming that faceoffs don’t matter and you’re defending the importance of faceoffs. Come on man. There’s no way.

I do like the idea of Bear or BA on the pod though…

 

[Mangosteen]

Get BA and ask if Smith 'recommended" him to trade for Serg

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Please also add that context of the faceoff matters. Defensive zone on the penalty kill and offensive zone on the power play matter. The fluff in the neutral zone during 5 on 5 is noise and needs to be filtered out, making your argument even stronger that the difference is inconsequential.

It's plain as day that Tourigny will deploy Stenlund when it matters. He's out for overtime faceoffs, where possession is king, and then straight to the bench after winning it multiple times already this season.

I'm not privy to the other half of your conversation (most likely cause dude's a Richard Cranium), so I have to ask: What's the neutral zone fluff, of which you speak?

 

[Coyotedroppings]

Faceoffs mattered then when they were hopeless at generating offense, how pathetic.

Faceoff's always matter, but yes, they matter more when a team struggles with possession.

Ok smart ass, why don't you three amigo's get Bear or BA on your podcast and ask them how important faceoff's are? Maybe they can talk some sense into you. It's more than %'s as you say, way more. Stop moving the goal posts. Almost every team has a C under 50%. My argument is that faceoffs are an important part of the game, period. Do you agree or not? A simple yes or no answer.

LOL, Ima assume the smart ass you refer to is none other than our prolific public session skater, whom severely bust's himself up skating in circles with women and children? I wouldn't concern myself with what a loud mouthed twirp that fails to realize that in a game of "keep away", it's important to "keep", actually "thinks" he knows.

 

[Canis Latrans]

I'm not privy to the other half of your conversation (most likely cause dude's a Richard Cranium), so I have to ask: What's the neutral zone fluff, of which you speak?

I was referring to overall faceoff percentages being quite close statistically between a good faceoffer and a poor one when you look at raw stats, and then adding in that there are a bunch of additional faceoffs where the result doesn't matter much - neutral zone fluff, where whoever wins possession is going to pass it back and regroup to try and do a regular zone entry after (no real threat of a scoring chance immediately developing, so I would throw them out statistically as noise in a real analysis).

I should just say that there are important faceoffs, but not all faceoffs are important. Being right after a stoppage, the coach can deploy a good faceoff guy when it's warranted most of time.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

I was referring to overall faceoff percentages being quite close statistically between a good faceoffer and a poor one when you look at raw stats, and then adding in that there are a bunch of additional faceoffs where the result doesn't matter much - neutral zone fluff, where whoever wins possession is going to pass it back and regroup to try and do a regular zone entry after (no real threat of a scoring chance immediately developing, so I would throw them out statistically as noise in a real analysis).

I should just say that there are important faceoffs, but not all faceoffs are important. Being right after a stoppage, the coach can deploy a good faceoff guy when it's warranted most of time.

After some thought I figured that’s what you were staring.
Possession is possession, no matter where the draw takes place, bit your point has validity, IMO.

 

[TheLegend]

Of course. I have never said faceoffs aren’t important. Obviously they are. That was never the argument.

You can’t honestly think that there’s a long standing argument between you and I where I’m claiming that faceoffs don’t matter and you’re defending the importance of faceoffs. Come on man. There’s no way.

I do like the idea of Bear or BA on the pod though…

You talking to a John Chayka burner account.,,,,,,

 

[Jakey53]

You talking to a John Chayka burner account.,,,,,,

I knew that was you John. How's flipping hamburgers going these days?