ESPN: Utah-Pitt (speculation/proposal)

[Jay Gray]

Marcelli is exactly the type of player PIT needs to be adding and getting out of Rakell while adding a 1st is silly.

Disagree. He's 24. PIT will be trading him away for futures long before they are competitive again.

 

[Gurglesons]

Disagree. He's 24. PIT will be trading him away for futures long before they are competitive again.

Hence why you acquire him.

You bring him in. You replace Rakell with him and then you trade him for a 2nd round pick or something in a year.

Rinse / repeat.

 

[qc14]

Whoever gives up a ransom for Rackell is going to be severely disappointed to learn that they will not also be getting Crosby in the deal too ...

 

[Jacob]

I would take a 1st and a 2nd for Rakell and you keep Macelli.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Ideally, Pens would be getting a 1st rounder as part of the return.

They probably can from a contender (not Utah).

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

The fact that this is pretty close (Not quite) to the Sergachev trade is hilarious in itself.

 

[Jay Gray]

Hence why you acquire him.

You bring him in. You replace Rakell with him and then you trade him for a 2nd round pick or something in a year.

Rinse / repeat.

PIT is further from contending than any team in the league. This would just be a lateral transfer in the lineup that needs at least half a dozen other quality players added. They should be trading roster players like Rakell for high risk/high reward futures and aiming for a rebuild to conclude 2030.
Utah would be unwise to make this deal one for one, much less adding a bunch of futures.

 

[Gurglesons]

PIT is further from contending than any team in the league. This would just be a lateral transfer in the lineup that needs at least half a dozen other quality players added. They should be trading roster players like Rakell for high risk/high reward futures and aiming for a rebuild to conclude 2030.
Utah would be unwise to make this deal one for one, much less adding a bunch of futures.

Yes. Your logic for PIT is exactly why they should be acquiring 24 year olds who have shown they can produce in big minutes.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Macceli posted 106pts in 146 games in his 22 & 23 year old seasons (pace of 60pts/82). He is now struggling in his 24 year old season, pacing for just 28.

Rackell posted 97 points in 152 games in his 29 & 30 year old seasons (pace of 52pts/80). He is now thriving in his 31 year old season, pacing for 69 points - a whopping 9 more than Macceli averaged in his previous two seasons.

Idiotic proposal even without taking contextual need into consideration

I agree the 1st is a gross overpay but Rakell brings so much more compared to Macelli outside of points. He’s a guy that can be a difference maker in playoffs. We have never seen Macelli in playoffs but to me he seems like a guy that will be a ghost in playoff hockey.

With that being said Utah is not the team that should make this trade. A team like Tampa should if they can fit him under cap somehow.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

PIT is further from contending than any team in the league. This would just be a lateral transfer in the lineup that needs at least half a dozen other quality players added. They should be trading roster players like Rakell for high risk/high reward futures and aiming for a rebuild to conclude 2030.
Utah would be unwise to make this deal one for one, much less adding a bunch of futures.

2030 seems incredibly optimistic.

PIT is essentially the mid 2010s Red Wings/Late 2010s Sharks.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Sounds like too much for Utah to give quite frankly and this is a pens fan saying it.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

I agree the 1st is a gross overpay but Rakell brings so much more compared to Macelli outside of points. He’s a guy that can be a difference maker in playoffs. We have never seen Macelli in playoffs but to me he seems like a guy that will be a ghost in playoff hockey.

With that being said Utah is not the team that should make this trade. A team like Tampa should if they can fit him under cap somehow.

Agreed.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

2030 seems incredibly optimistic.

PIT is essentially the mid 2010s Red Wings/Late 2010s Sharks.

It's nothing a couple of totally legit draft lottery wins can't fix.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It's nothing a couple of totally legit draft lottery wins can't fix.

Is Kansas City still looking for a team?!

 

[Darren McCord]

2030 seems incredibly optimistic.

PIT is essentially the mid 2010s Red Wings/Late 2010s Sharks.

Pitt is worse than the lat sharks teams. They are more comparable to the 2022 team when they traded Burns.

Pitt 2023 - Traded Jake to start the Rebuild.
Sharks 2022 - Traded Burns to start the Rebuild.

I could see the Sharks rebuild being over by 27-28.

The Pens following that path could be there by 2030-2031 but thats if things go right.

 

[Michael Farkas]

He's 32 in May. He's been consistently injured since entering the NHL. He is a goal scorer which is always going to be a streaky archetype.

It is 100% a situation where getting out of Rakell before his value plummets should be the main focus of this deadline.

Then I suppose it's semantics. If dealing a player at the high point of his value for very positive assets is considered "getting out of", then I can't imagine what dealing, say, Ryan Graves counts as haha (other than impossible)

"Getting out of" carries a clear negative connotation.

By this logic, you'd be trying to "get out" of this bottle of Clase Azul tequila...but in reality, you just mean "enjoyably drink"...

 

[Gurglesons]

Then I suppose it's semantics. If dealing a player at the high point of his value for very positive assets is considered "getting out of", then I can't imagine what dealing, say, Ryan Graves counts as haha (other than impossible)

"Getting out of" carries a clear negative connotation.

By this logic, you'd be trying to "get out" of this bottle of Clase Azul tequila...but in reality, you just mean "enjoyably drink"...

Every night I'm trying to get out of a bottle of Clase Azul.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Pitt is worse than the lat sharks teams. They are more comparable to the 2022 team when they traded Burns.

Pitt 2023 - Traded Jake to start the Rebuild.
Sharks 2022 - Traded Burns to start the Rebuild.

I could see the Sharks rebuild being over by 27-28.

The Pens following that path could be there by 2030-2031 but thats if things go right.

Sharks also happened to get extremely lucky winning a lottery for Celebrini and essentially still getting a damn near #1 level pick out of Smith from that deep ass 2023 draft.

PIT either needs lottery favor from the hockey gods (Or the league) like the Sharks got, or have to be incredible with their drafting/development like Detroit has been. (And I'm not exactly convinced PIT is great in that department)

 

[Jay Gray]

2030 seems incredibly optimistic.

PIT is essentially the mid 2010s Red Wings/Late 2010s Sharks.

And the reason those orgs. took so long to have any positive signs is because they shoved their heads into the septic tank and ignored reality for years. Which is what Dubas will be doing if prioritizing getting back roster players instead of futures. Re-tooling around a 38 year old Crosby is the most illogical strategic objective in the league. Guaranteed to fail miserably and prolong org. irrelevance.

 

[BHD]

Pens should be focusing on draft picks right now. Even a player like Maccelli would be past his prime by the time the Pens are competitive again.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

And the reason those orgs. took so long to have any positive signs is because they shoved their heads into the septic tank and ignored reality for years. Which is what Dubas will be doing if prioritizing getting back roster players instead of futures. Re-tooling around a 38 year old Crosby is the most illogical strategic objective in the league. Guaranteed to fail miserably and prolong org. irrelevance.

I think Dubas is a joke, but he's also pretty much been given an impossible task by an ownership group that simply wants to milk this core dry of every penny, and then probably sell the team.

It came as absolutely no surprise that Fenway is looking to sell stakes in the team now that they're out of their window.

 

[The Burdened]

that seems like a terrible trade for Utah
I understand they need to move out of the "just collect 1st round talents and hope for the future" phase and actually start parlaying it into competitive NHL talent, but Rakell isn't that guy they should be trading a 1st for.
I would aim higher

 

[hurdemz]

What does this have to do with the thread you’re posting in?

I was invested into the whole article, and I do admit that I wrnt off track with the actual purpose of the thread.

Thank you so much for pointing it out for me.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I was invested into the whole article, and I do admit that I wrnt off track with the actual purpose of the thread.

Thank you so much for pointing it out for me.

lol. I was wondering where that came from. I didn’t read the article since I felt the ask for Rakell was pretty off base.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I agree the 1st is a gross overpay but Rakell brings so much more compared to Macelli outside of points. He’s a guy that can be a difference maker in playoffs. We have never seen Macelli in playoffs but to me he seems like a guy that will be a ghost in playoff hockey.

With that being said Utah is not the team that should make this trade. A team like Tampa should if they can fit him under cap somehow.

You realize Rakell only has 19 points in 48 playoff games, right?