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Proposal: Utah - PIT

Utah should definitely do this so we can watch Kesselring as the #1 of another organization for another 10 years, especially with Pittsburgh getting McKenna in a year
 
HockeyVirus said:
Between Sergachev and Durzi why would they need another type of dman in that mold?
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EK is still one of the best offensive play drivers in the league. I think without a doubt he's been the best offensive player on the Penguins that past two years.

I think it would also be about adding an absolute legend to the Utah market to help build up their reputation in terms of commitment to winning.

I think Kesselring is good, but I question if he's viewed as a future # 1 by the UHC. They dump the Maccelli contract and basically it's a 5 mil for 5 mil swap.

I think a big difference between Durzi and EK is EK is a 5v5 driver where as Durzi does most of his damage on the PP.
 
Gurglesons said:
Cap dump, a 2nd, and a decent 25 year old who has had an up and down season?

Doesn't seem like a lot lol.
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Who's the dump? You're not talking about 23 yo Maccelli, who's had his 1st disappointing season in his career are you? :help:

What about the 25 yo who no one knew 2 years ago, and has stood out as a top 4 option for us this year? He's had some games better than others (because 100% of players do), but he's shown to be a very good defenseman. Not a #1, but absolutely a top 4. What's the down in that?

I get it, you don't like the players, it's cool. No need to frame them incorrectly.
 
Don't hate the value (don't love it either) but hate the fit. EK at this stage of his career should be the finishing touch on a team that can hide his very legit flaws and not a core piece of the puzzle. Utah is not an Erik Karlsson away.
 
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YotesFan47 said:
Who's the dump? You're not talking about 23 yo Maccelli, who's had his 1st disappointing season in his career are you? :help:

What about the 25 yo who no one knew 2 years ago, and has stood out as a top 4 option for us this year? He's had some games better than others (because 100% of players do), but he's shown to be a very good defenseman. Not a #1, but absolutely a top 4. What's the down in that?

I get it, you don't like the players, it's cool. No need to frame them incorrectly.
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Big Utah fan. I don't think Maccelli is getting anything back and I think he's clearly a piece they will be moving on from this summer.

Kesselring seems stuck with Marino and Durzi above him and Lamoureux in the wings.

EK65 gives them a two year commitment that helps them become a playoff team, brings excitement in terms of name recognition to the market, and swaps out two players that are probably not really anything moving forward on the UHC's future competitive window.
 
Gurglesons said:
He'd be their 3rd D behind Sergachev and Durzi.
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They don't (yet) have the defensive structure to hide him though and you'd have to give Sergachev and Durzi sub-optimal deployments (especially on the PP).

The only EK destinations that make sense to me are Carolina, Toronto, and Dallas (I would've had Florida too before the Jones deal). All teams that have great defensive structures and depth but a lack of real elite offensive talent from the blueline.
 
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Gurglesons said:
Big Utah fan. I don't think Maccelli is getting anything back and I think he's clearly a piece they will be moving on from this summer.

Kesselring seems stuck with Marino and Durzi above him and Lamoureux in the wings.

EK65 gives them a two year commitment that helps them become a playoff team, brings excitement in terms of name recognition to the market, and swaps out two players that are probably not really anything moving forward on the UHC's future competitive window.
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I think the plan is to move on from Maccelli too, but not because he's bad. He's definitely had a rough year and it hurts his value. I'd like to make that move before the draft, but if it takes to next TD, that's fine. Bill has proven to be patient.

Kesselring is quasi stuck. Marino has 2 years left, not sure if we resign him or not. Lamoureux would likely benefit from another season in Tucson, and adding EK does not change his outlook for making the roster. He has to beat out one of the other 8 D in his path to make the team.

I think losing the depth Kesselring brings would do more harm. Think Hague as a comparison, what's his value to Vegas? That's Kesselring, and he could still improve.

We need forwards, our blue line is in a great position now, and in the future. A middle 6 c, or better yet, top 6 c is monumentally more important than a high end 3rd pair RD we already have. I'd also argue an additional middle 6 winger with grit, and a top 6 winger would be more important.
 
Karlsson is probably never waiving again for any team that isn't a clear top contender. Utah I think will be better than Pittsburgh, but 31 other teams might meet that standard and obviously waiving for a non-playoff team is failing miserably for him in Pittsburgh.
 
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CheckingLineCenter said:
This is not as bad as Yotes/Utah fans are acting

Karlsson still very, very good.
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Karlsson is still very good but much like many other aging stars a team should have a very specific environment and role for him to maximize his skillset and impact. Utah is not that environment.

Carolina and Toronto (and maybe Dallas) should be the only teams in on Karlsson as far as I'm concerned.
 
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qcal1427 said:
Karlsson is still very good but much like many other aging stars a team should have a very specific environment and role for him to maximize his skillset and impact. Utah is not that environment.

Carolina and Toronto (and maybe Dallas) should be the only teams in on Karlsson as far as I'm concerned.
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Fair
 
YotesFan47 said:
He is, but there's no need from Utah. Our right side is stacked, possibly in the we need to make a trade next season way.
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Big Durzi fan, Marino is fine and Kesselring looked like a good find for majority of the season.

That defense got them to being likely 10+ points out of the playoffs given the entire LHD is returning.

I don't think Ryan Smith paid 1.2 billion dollars to have a team that misses the playoffs.

I think Utah focuses on strengthing their D and C depth this off season in flashly and expensive ways.

This team can't continue to be the Yotes in the new market or they will never build a fan base.
 
Gurglesons said:
Big Durzi fan, Marino is fine and Kesselring looked like a good find for majority of the season.

That defense got them to being likely 10+ points out of the playoffs given the entire LHD is returning.

I don't think Ryan Smith paid 1.2 billion dollars to have a team that misses the playoffs.

I think Utah focuses on strengthing their D and C depth this off season in flashly and expensive ways.

This team can't continue to be the Yotes in the new market or they will never build a fan base.
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Rakell from an outsiders perspective seems like another guy who can get a haul
 
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