Value of: UTAH 4TH to CGY

[YP44]

Andersson + Coleman for 4th overall would actually be in the best interest of both teams IMO. I don't know if either would be motivated enough to do it though. Or that Utah wouldn't be on either player's NTC list. Suspect their new owner wants to make the playoffs sooner rather than later with his new investment and Armstrong did a nice job stocking the cupboards with tons of picks and prospects when the Coyotes were on their way out. A move for a couple solid veterans could be enough to move the needle for the Mammoth and the Flames open up a couple roster spots for their young players.

After Schaefer and Misa I don't think there's much in this draft to get over excited about. If someone with 9-14 is keen to take 18 and the Florida pick and our scouts like a particular C they think would be worth it then sure move up. If not then make both picks and carry on. No need to try and rush things when you don't have to.

Think that would not be enought for the 4th OA. Could be wrong though, but I think someone will top that.

Pittsburgh is a team I think will be going hard on the 4th.

 

[Djp]

Andersson + Coleman for 4th overall would actually be in the best interest of both teams IMO.

Im surr it would from calgary perspective trading a 1 yr and 2 yr to UFA playerd for a top 5 pick

How often has this kind of trade been done?

I don't know if either would be motivated enough to do it though. Or that Utah wouldn't be on either player's NTC list. Suspect their new owner wants to make the playoffs sooner rather than later with his new investment and Armstrong did a nice job stocking the cupboards with tons of picks and prospects when the Coyotes were on their way out. A move for a couple solid veterans could be enough to move the needle for the Mammoth and the Flames open up a couple roster spots for their young players.

After Schaefer and Misa I don't think there's much in this draft to get over excited about. If someone with 9-14 is keen to take 18 and the Florida pick and our scouts like a particular C they think would be worth it then sure move up. If not then make both picks and carry on. No need to try and rush things when you don't have to.

Too 15 player's or so still have 1st round grades

Nobody is trading down that far in this draft.

 

[Bounces R Way]

Im surr it would from calgary perspective trading a 1 yr and 2 yr to UFA playerd for a top 5 pick

How often has this kind of trade been done?

Depends how badly the new owner wants to make the playoffs and ride the momentum of a new team's fanbase. Andersson and Coleman would help that cause a lot more next season than whichever 18 year old they'd be selecting.
Or you could play prospect pokemon like the Sabres and spin your wheels for 15 years. This is a franchise that has won one playoff game in the last decade and the time before that they were called the Phoenix Coyotes. I would bet on Armstrong and Utah having an aggressive offseason.

Too 15 player's or so still have 1st round grades

Nobody is trading down that far in this draft.

Every year teams trade down in the 1st round. Value in a vacuum doesn't actually mean anything. Teams need different things and a team that has not a lot in their prospect cupboards might not be too impressed with what's available at their pick and think that two later 1st round picks is a tradeoff that would work for them.

 

[Djp]

Depends how badly the new owner wants to make the playoffs and ride the momentum of a new team's fanbase. Andersson and Coleman would help that cause a lot more next season than whichever 18 year old they'd be selecting.

A competent GM won't make such a trade. Look at outright top 10 picks traded for nhl players ( they all were 6-10 range)

If he does such a trade it would br gor say Corronato, peterka, or recent top 10 from 2-3 yrs ago

Every year teams trade down in the 1st round. Value in a vacuum doesn't actually mean anything. Teams need different things and a team that has not a lot in their prospect cupboards might not be too impressed with what's available at their pick and think that two later 1st round picks is a tradeoff that would work for them.

It does not happen in all drafts. Trading from top 10 down is very rare.

In crudy drafts or drafts where there is a clear talent ledge between say top 18 and nrxt 25 prospects it never haporns. In 3014 draft is an example. Buffslo had 32, 39. 49, 61 and tried yo package them all for a pick 16-21 with no takers. In deeper talent years that trade would have occurred

 

[Bounces R Way]

A competent GM won't make such a trade. Look at outright top 10 picks traded for nhl players ( they all were 6-10 range)

If he does such a trade it would br gor say Corronato, peterka, or recent top 10 from 2-3 yrs ago


It does not happen in all drafts. Trading from top 10 down is very rare.

In crudy drafts or drafts where there is a clear talent ledge between say top 18 and nrxt 25 prospects it never haporns. In 3014 draft is an example. Buffslo had 32, 39. 49, 61 and tried yo package them all for a pick 16-21 with no takers. In deeper talent years that trade would have occurred

Competent GMs make the playoffs or they get fired. They don't have the luxury HF posters do of these fantasy 5-7 year rebuilds full of great lottery picks. They need to deliver results. Andersson and Coleman are proven NHL contributors. If Utah's goal is to make the playoffs next season then they would be more likely to aid in that goal than some kid playing in juniors would.

It's a trade off, long term magic beans(4th overall even in this draft is a premium bean) for shorter term success and getting their young core some playoff experience. Buddy four different teams traded down in the first round last year for nothing but draft picks. Kings, Wild, Avalanche, and the Leafs all decided that increasing their draft capital is how they wanted to use their draft position. But sure, it "never happens".

Do I think that either specific trade I mentioned is going to come to fruition? No I don't. Just saying it would be something that could be in both team's interests.

 

[Djp]

Competent GMs make the playoffs or they get fired. They don't have the luxury HF posters do of these fantasy 5-7 year rebuilds full of great lottery picks. They need to deliver results. Andersson and Coleman are proven NHL contributors. If Utah's goal is to make the playoffs next season then they would be more likely to aid in that goal than some kid playing in juniors would.

It's a trade off, long term magic beans(4th overall even in this draft is a premium bean) for shorter term success and getting their young core some playoff experience. Buddy four different teams traded down in the first round last year for nothing but draft picks. Kings, Wild, Avalanche, and the Leafs all decided that increasing their draft capital is how they wanted to use their draft position. But sure, it "never happens".

Do I think that either specific trade I mentioned is going to come to fruition? No I don't. Just saying it would be something that could be in both team's interests.

Last year was a deeper draft. Check back to other years and trade downs in the 2st beyond a couple spots.

The trades you mention are on the level of winning a high amount of money in a lottery

 

[Bounces R Way]

Last year was a deeper draft. Check back to other years and trade downs in the 2st beyond a couple spots.

The trades you mention are on the level of winning a high amount of money in a lottery

You can't even sort your bad arguments out.

"this is a weak draft"
"trading up to draft the likes of Jake O'Brien or Brady Martin or Roger McQueen would be hitting on 1 : 30 million odds lucky"

Like that doesn't make any sense, you're arguing against yourself. But sure yeah a chance to draft the next maybe at best 2nd liner is just too valuable.

 

[SjMilhouse]

Utah needs a solid 2C or young top 6 forwards. We don't need futures or prospects

 

[Quatre Vingt Treize]

Hagens

Going to be hard to do

 

[DJJones]

50% retained Coleman
50% retained Anderson
Kadri (no retention)

Screw it, throw in Florida's first as well

 

[CraigsList]

Utah has a solid group of young forwards and a decent defense, especially with Sergachev at helm. The answer if Wolf, and we respectfully decline.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Andersson + Coleman for 4th overall would actually be in the best interest of both teams IMO. I don't know if either would be motivated enough to do it though. Or that Utah wouldn't be on either player's NTC list. Suspect their new owner wants to make the playoffs sooner rather than later with his new investment and Armstrong did a nice job stocking the cupboards with tons of picks and prospects when the Coyotes were on their way out. A move for a couple solid veterans could be enough to move the needle for the Mammoth and the Flames open up a couple roster spots for their young players.

After Schaefer and Misa I don't think there's much in this draft to get over excited about. If someone with 9-14 is keen to take 18 and the Florida pick and our scouts like a particular C they think would be worth it then sure move up. If not then make both picks and carry on. No need to try and rush things when you don't have to.

I would do this with zero hesitation as a Flames fan so I think it's safe to say it pretty heavily favours Calgary.

Every other year people start writing off prospects after the guy(s) with superstar potential at the top and usually it's still some extremely skilled guys there. Pronman just put out a list ranking the guys drafted top 10 in 2024 vs projected 2025 top 10 (via Bob Mackenzie):
1. Celebrini 2024
2. Schaefer 2025
3. Demidov 2024
4. Misa 2025
5. Martone 2025
6. Catton 2024
7. Desnoyers 2025
8. Levshunov 2024
9. Hagens 2025
10. Frondell 2025
11. O'Brien 2025
12. Parekh 2024
13. Yakemchuk 2024
14. Sennecke 2024
15. McQueen 2025
16. Eklund 2025
17. Iginla 2024
18. Silayev 2024
19. Lindstrom 2024
20. Smith 2025

That's much more top heavy in favour of 2025, and a lot of those guys play center