I think you are ignoring huge parts of all of what has transpired. Different coachs help different players thrive and develop. Players like Stutzle, Tkachuk, Batherson are all way more responsible because of the new coach. Player development isnt just linear. How you are doing this is looking at it 1 for 1 and thats just not how it works.
Perron is a GREAT FIT for this teams new style. How do you not see that?... Debrincat would have been awful in this system.
Lastly Amadio and Joseph is a wash.... Seems to me with these evaluations of Perron and Amadio you really dont see what Staios was trying to do. He wanted consistent players that were good in danger zones, at hanging onto pucks. Getting them out controlled. Which actually explains this conversation. This was a culture change and identity switch that he has instilled with personnel, playing style. Basically everything.
I just dont think you are taking all the variables into the new coaching and differences in the new coaching and how that has impacted the results on the ice. Maybe you are just digging in but not looking at these variables seems like an excuse to try and prove your argument.
You say you dont think DJ is a better coach or on par with Green but you are arguing every point. Whats the point of that?
Perron is a great fit under Green. I agree. Never said anything to the contrary. What I said was he could play under DJ and still be relatively successful, and more specifically, imo help us more than DeBrincat did.
Debrincat would be awful here under Green, no disagreement, I never said a word to the contrary, not that it's in any way relevant. He was awful under DJ too since he had zero desire to be here, but that doesn't really matter since the whole discussion is about what DJ could/would have done with the current roster. Who cares how DBC fits in under Green.
I never said guys like Tkachuk, Batherson or Stu would be exactly the same players they are today, I do think they would have continued to develop and grow as players though. Green's defenive style should have long benefits for these guys, so I'm more than glad we made the coaching change, but again, not really the point I was discussing, since the topic was could DJ get have gotten guys into the playoffs.
Wrt Batherson, what I specifically identified was his health as the major reason for a likely superior performance we could expect in the alternate reality where DJ was coaching this roster. That doesn't mean I expect him to have the same improvement on the defensive side, just that I recognize the impact his ankle had in 2023. Batherson broke out the year before under DJ, putting up 44 pts in 46 games, with a +4 rating before getting hurt by Dell. We know what he could do under DJ when healthy.
Amadio and Joseph, again, it's not about their fit under Green that I'm speaking to, it's about their fit under DJ. I agree Joseph wouldn't likely work as well as Amadio under Green's system, I really like how Amadio has fit in and he's a big part of our current shut down line, but that's not really relevant. What I'm talking about is how Amadio would fit into DJ's system, and I think he's a smart enough player that he would make it work.
Same goes with Perron, he's a very intelligent player, so him adapting to DJ's system isn't something I'm worried about, he did fine in a more offensive minded Det system, he isn't uniquely only capable under Green. On the other hand, I'm less confident Joseph would have been able to adapt to Green, since he relies on his physical attributes (speed) and less on his brain and almost positive DBC wouldn't have done well playing Green's system since he's extremely one dimensional,
I think I made my position clear, the reg season and the post season are different beasts, I think Green is far better suited to the later, while DJ's style can work when things are a bit looser but struggles down the stretch and into the playoffs.
I also think that since Green had to implement a new system, there were growing pains that wouldn't be there to the same extent had DJ continued and coached this roster. I think we would have a better record right now if Green was hired last year and this was year two, We basically had 21 guys including all our core players adapting to a new system instead of 5 or 6 guys. That makes a big difference in how quickly the team gels. This of course assumes that DJ didn't/hadn't lost the room as a result of last year's performance.
