bert
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You've got plenty of content to pick from in this thread. Decided to take the high road. But if you'd like to chat about my post two up from here I'd love your feedback 16 months later from your original opinions on management.
Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations
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Since we’re here we will revisit.
Staios did a good job.
unlike soooooommmeee people I always admit when I was wrong.
Staios best decision was green as coach. And that was my least favorite move of his but green and staff have been great
The player acquisitions were also good.
I think he got strung along in the chychrun saga and then ended up moving him for not much. But amadio and Perron were good signing and Jensen has been good for us, the value was just kinda bad on that deal.
Since we’re here we will revisit.
Staios did a good job.
unlike soooooommmeee people I always admit when I was wrong.
Staios best decision was green as coach. And that was my least favorite move of his but green and staff have been great
The player acquisitions were also good.
I think he got strung along in the chychrun saga and then ended up moving him for not much. But amadio and Perron were good signing and Jensen has been good for us, the value was just kinda bad on that deal.
bert
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Which is a nice trait, I have attempted to practice this too. Perhaps a more wait and see approach from some people. I felt new ownership handled the situation very professionally right from the get go. A stark contrast from his predecessor. I believed in Staios and the vision right away as seen in this thread. Not overly but everything I did read, listen, hear from Andlauer and co I was confident it would be a move in the right direction. I was very happy not to see reactionary moves immediately as that what we had seen for the previous decade or so under PD and EM. There was no and hasnt been any panic from this group. Which I think will bring not only short term but long term stability. Which has been the message since day 1.
I have thought about the Chychrun trade and how much success he has had since he left. But I dont think I agree with the sentiment that they moved him for not much. Chabot's resurgence aside and how much Chabot and Jensen carried this team when Zub was out and Sanderson really struggled.
Imagine they didnt trade him. Then this year at the deadline they are fighting for a spot then what.... They would have had to keep him and lose him for nothing or trade him and disrupt the season and everyone would be freaking out. They clearly couldnt afford him, I think the writing was on the wall a long time before. He wasnt a fit for a myriad of reasons. They already had Chabot and Sanderson so there is only so much ice time and specific roles to have. They had Kleven coming and I dont think he ever really liked it here.
So they get two years of Jensen who has been fantastic and dont lose him for nothing. I think it was a pretty great trade when you think about contract and fit. Dorion tried to fit a square peg in a round hole and Staios did another good job of cleaning up his mess.
@bert
I am wrong a lot on the forums - but a lot of what I said in my post that you bestowed the laugh emoji to was an accurate assessment of the team's situation, and time only validated it. I'll take the laugh emojis for anything Carson Soucy related, but if you actually read my posts in that thread, I was nearly spot on about the situation and how the team was going to respond with a re-tool to try and win now.
My only mistake was thinking that Staios wasn't intending to be GM from the get go, and was only stepping into the role based on the 2023 performance of the team expediting the need to re-tool before he hired his choice of GM. I figured that he would start the re-tool, and then in the offseason they would hire their elite GM of choice, similar to how they handled the coaching situation - but my mistake was not realizing that Staios elite GM of choice was himself. At least for now.
Otherwise, here is what I said coming off of our team having another poor start that put them out of the playoffs in 2023-24.
- They have 1.5 years to get things right because Tkachuk's NMC activates July 1st 2025.
- They are auditioning to keep him. Implying they need to find a way to win before that date.
- They are asset poor and need to retool.
- Staios took over the GM role at that date to start the retool to try and win with Tkachuk before his NMC kicks in.
- They need a GM in place so that they can start the sell off in time for the 2024 TDL to gain assets for a retool.
- I later added in a follow up post that I think the situation was complicated by how late into the offseason they took over the team, which didn't allow them to put their own executive team in place early.
That post deserved at best a wow emoji for how spot on it was about how this team was going to react to the collapse. The laugh emoji was egregious. Save that for Soucy+Hoglander+2nd if the board reset did not wipe all evidence of that prediction.
If you want to make this right, I'll take my wow emoji on this post. If Ryan Bowness is promoted to GM this offseason, I'd also appreciate a bump stating that I might have been on to something about Staios not being in the GM role long-term, but I understand that's more of a stretch goal here.
Also keep in mind, NOBODY was talking about Tkachuk's NMC at that time. You didn't have Spittin Chiclets poisoning the well, the Rangers soft tampering. That post was A+ pattern recognition and predictive analysis, with my only fault being that I assumed Staios was not intended to be emperor of the team from the get-go, and that he would start the re-tool and appoint a GM of choice in the offseason to finish it, rather then finish it himself.
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jensen no doubt has been great. Was the value in the trade great I don’t think so but hockey isn’t just played on paper.
Hopefully Yakemchuk develops and can replace him in ~2 years or staios and DiMaio can find another gem
I see that Calgary Hitmen are in the playoffs and won round 1 against Saskatoon Blades in 4 straight games. Although not a star scorer, Yakemchuk has scored some points in the games.
Has anyone followed the Hitmen this season and have any comments on his performance?
Has anyone followed the Hitmen this season and have any comments on his performance?
bert
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He scored an unbelievable goal I do know that much. He had 1-2 for 3 points in 4 games. No pims + 4.
BonHoonLayneCornell
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I had a ton of faith, especially after the Ullmark deal. Many here were feeling like having to roll with Korpisalo was just what had to happen, but Im glad SS knew that wasnt a reasonable direction for success.
Amazing that basically everything he did worked out so well.
After having Dorion for so long, I figured it couldnt possibly be worse, but its been even better than I hoped.
Amazing that basically everything he did worked out so well.
After having Dorion for so long, I figured it couldnt possibly be worse, but its been even better than I hoped.
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Yes for sure, but I loved Bryan Murray. He was a beauty too. Old school hockey man.
Tuna99
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I think this team is more old school than Bryan Murray’s tesms.
I’d say the best Sens tesms I’ve ever seen was when Brayan Murray coached his final season and this team this year (when they are on) but Greens team would win the alley fight
2009-2010 was by far my favorite Sens team. Not the most skilled, but a young Karlsson paired with Kuba, then the defense rounded out with Phillips-Volchenkov-Sutton-Carkner. We had some beef back then. Opposing forwards were always getting destroyed.
with this exact roster I still think DJ smith and his staff have us finishing in the bottom 10
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DJ - “But we deserved more, bounce here and a call there and we are a Cup champion”
DJ - “But we deserved more, bounce here and a call there and we are a Cup champion”
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Chychrun and Washington is really some kind of alternate universe thing clashing with our own. On paper, there no way the Caps should be a top 3 team in the league. No way. Especially with ooooold Ovie leading the way. (As much as I like the guy, it's true...dude can barely move out there half the time this year.) Chych....I don't see him keeping up, either. I have a feeling next season that team is going to crash, and crash hard.
Now that said....you always want to get more in any trade. Really have a massive, uncontested, scream to the heavens win. While we haven't done that, I do think Staios has done reasonably well this year. In fact, as a rookie NHL GM, he's done better than many in his place. Being a rookie GM is damned hard in this league. Rival GMs are ruthless and they won't throw softballs at you or do any favors for you.
And, when the trades were made, all of his trades made sense. He wasn't trying to outsmart the room, or go for a home run, and he didn't give away the farm to chase anyone he wanted. And you can't ask for any more from a GM. As much as we want to critique trades after the fact, no one can say with 100% certainty how a guy will gel with the room or fit into a different roster or role. And for the most part, the trades are working out....although Ullmark's back (or whatever the issue is) does worry me a bit. Dude better be ready to go every second night when the playoffs hit.
Now that said....you always want to get more in any trade. Really have a massive, uncontested, scream to the heavens win. While we haven't done that, I do think Staios has done reasonably well this year. In fact, as a rookie NHL GM, he's done better than many in his place. Being a rookie GM is damned hard in this league. Rival GMs are ruthless and they won't throw softballs at you or do any favors for you.
And, when the trades were made, all of his trades made sense. He wasn't trying to outsmart the room, or go for a home run, and he didn't give away the farm to chase anyone he wanted. And you can't ask for any more from a GM. As much as we want to critique trades after the fact, no one can say with 100% certainty how a guy will gel with the room or fit into a different roster or role. And for the most part, the trades are working out....although Ullmark's back (or whatever the issue is) does worry me a bit. Dude better be ready to go every second night when the playoffs hit.
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Biggest issues DJ faced in his time here was health and goaltending. Yes, they struggled defensively at times, but they also scored a lot more than we currently do.
When you look at 5v5 over the last two seasons of DJ compared to this year, you wouldn't expect such a big gap in the standings.
CF% 49.83% for Green, vs 50.97% for DJ
GF% 46.52% vs 45.97%
xGF% 48.96% vs 50.38%
SCF% 49.86% vs 49.8%
HDCF% 45.26% vs 47.58%
What is very different is sv%
91.57% vs 90.31%
and injuries/suspensions:
| CHIP lost | Lost WAR | |
| 2024-25 | 7.99 | 3.157 |
| 2023-24 | 10.64* | 3.318 * |
| 2022-23 | 13.17 | 5.75 |
| *includes Shane Pinto suspension |
Last year is the one year where I think without korpisalo we probably make the playoffs. The stats that our win % with goaltending 900 or above was .821 is simply insane.
The year before. I think a better coaching staff gets a team of 90 point stutzle. Tkatchuk chabot chychrun debrincat pinto batherson into the playoffs.
And we were quite close but DJ and his staff could not get them to cut down on the crazy blunders.
I see the stats. But the product on the ice was very different. That Chicago game when we were 4 points out of the race with a game in hand (or something) was the DJ smith sens in a nutshell.
bert
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Their D zone is simply way better under Green same with the puck management. The turnovers in danger areas rarely happen anymore and they were prevalent when DJ was here. This effects the goaltending and winning tight games which this team has been very good at. Where as under DJ they would blow leads and get scored on at back breaking times. Its a very different mentality. It would make me go insane watching this team turn pucks over at the blue lines under DJ. When I played if you ever did that you just didnt play. This year I have noticed a concerted effort to not do that, more icings than I like but they sure dont turn it over nearly as much in bad parts of the ice. This for sure has been something that Green has stressed.
So I dont agree basically.
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Well, two years ago we were pretty close, 86pts, and while Talbot wasn't Korpisalo bad (he had an 898 sv%), when he and Forsberg were out, Sogaard graced our net for 19 games along with his .889 sv%. Flip that with Ullmark and his .911 and Merilainin and his .925, we certainly have a chance at bridging the 6-7 pts it would have taken to make the playoffs.
bert
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Id say you probably need to watch Washington a little more if this is how you think of them. They are very big, very fast and deep. They are the best 5 on 5 team in the league, that doesnt scream to me a team that is going to have a major regression. If anything they are probably going to be better they have 3 of the best prospects in the world coming. Leonard just came up, they have Protos brother who had 50 goals and 120 + points in the OHL this year and Cole Hutson. That team is big down the middle and good in all the places that count come playoff time.
Literally every move Staios has made has been a win run. He has rebuilt the entire culture in the organization and this team has an identity. Every move has been cold and calculated. There was a real plan, something we have never seen from Dorion. They are literally polar opposites, and its the best thing ever from a fans perspective.
Chychrun just signed for 72 million dollars and was a pending UFA. What did you think he would get? I have seen a few people mention they are disappointed in this deal. Based on how good at trading from a value perspective Staios has been do you think he passed up better deals?... Jensen has revived Chabots career. He had negative value now he certainly is a plus player in any trade. Whats that worth?
Just my opinion, I knew the sens needed to make alot of these moves I just didnt see a way to do it with their cap situation bottom 3 prospect pool and very little draft capital. But Staios did it.
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I'm not saying we'd for sure be in the playoffs with DJ, you're certainly right that the bad turnovers were far more common, and part of the goaltending issue, but without a doubt, Ullmark >>> Talbot and Korpisalo, and Merilainen >>>>> Sogaard. I don't think that's at all deniable.
We also created faaaar more offense under DJ. 271 gf in 22-23 and 281 in 23-24, compare that to pacing at 235 this year and it's a 36 to 46 goal shortfall to make up.
I think Green's style is far more conducive to winning tight games that we'll see in the playoffs. The coaching change was the right decision. But, I'm also a realist. You can get regular season pts playing the way DJ had us playing if you stay healthy and the goaltending holds up. Under DJ, one injury on the backend mean pandemonium until Zub or chabot got healthy. Green's system is more resilient, but he's also benefited from better health.
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We he bad goaltending because there was no accountability to play defender and check. Green improved the goaltending by improving the checking, DJ had no accountability, he was managing a tire fire and didn’t have the support from management to stand up to his players like green does. This exact team with Talbot still makes the playoffs IMO adjust because every player has improved in every square inch of ice with Green and Staoisb
bert
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I am not debating the goaltending but goalies will also look way better in the system the team is currently playing. The sens didnt and do not have the raw talent or the identity to win games the way DJ coached so if he was here even with better goaltending I dont see a scenario where they make it. Every goalies numbers got better when they left that wasnt a coincidence. Staios identified that this teams identity needed to be built around heavy hockey because the teams most unique and debatably best player and captain plays that way. I am sure the sens could have scored more goals this year but I dont think they are in a playoff spot. You will score more goals if you are allowed to make plays at the blue line all the time, but you're going to let in more than you score as well.
Staios isnt done here, he has a clear vision. I also think a team that learns to play this system a safer system more conducive to winning will have these habits more ingrained in them. As they do there will be less icings and more plays being made and the offense will improve while not giving up anything defensively.
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