Wow. Did you not watch him in Ottawa. His value was very low for a 1 year rental. He will likely be an anchor in WashingtonDorion F’ed up and Staios made the best of a bad situation.
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Two things can be true.
The first truth is that Jakob Chychrun was not a fit in Ottawa and that trading these picks to Arizona to acquire him was a significant blunder from Pierre Dorion. We already had two better all-around defensemen on the left side with Sandy and Chabot. Chychrun couldn’t play the right side like Dorion hoped. When he played on the left he wasn’t much better. Chabot was much better under Martin than Chychrun was as well. It was a poorly calculated move all around. Dorion traded good assets for a player about to be UFA and the player wasn’t even a fit in Ottawa. Forget about the argument of good or bad player, looking back it was a move that was going to fail.
The second truth is that Chychrun is a good player. In the right circumstances he will produce offensively. He will score goals and create on his own, which is very valuable for a team.
Staios arrived and got stuck with an underperfoming player who wasn’t a fit, and had an expiring deal. We had an offensive defensemen who wasn’t helping the team with a year left on his contract and had to acquire a right shot defensive defensemen. Right shot D are impossible to acquire and he was abke to get Jensen who has been miles better than Chychrun had ever been in Ottawa. Not only that, Chabot also took another step as a result of that move.
This to me was a great move. I will never look back and be mad at the return for Chychrun. This move might be the main reason we made the playoffs this year (especially with Zub out for a portion of the season) and we needed more Jensen less Chychrun. You can look at this move like Toronto’s looking at the Marner situation. Yes he’s a good player but Toronto would be a better team if they had a player who brought a different element in his place. It was much of the same here. Ottawa is a better team with Jensen, and Washington is extracting the most out of Chychrun - which was never going to happen here. It was a good move for both teams. Staios did great with that move.
I’d even argue that this was not a particularly difficult decision to make. I said it from day 1 in the trade thread that this team would be better with Jensen and it surely materialized. If there’s anything to be mad at it’s Dorion’s incompetence. Staios had a lot of hard work to do to get out of Dorion’s bad decisions and we will feel the effect of these decisions for a long time.
The first truth is that Jakob Chychrun was not a fit in Ottawa and that trading these picks to Arizona to acquire him was a significant blunder from Pierre Dorion. We already had two better all-around defensemen on the left side with Sandy and Chabot. Chychrun couldn’t play the right side like Dorion hoped. When he played on the left he wasn’t much better. Chabot was much better under Martin than Chychrun was as well. It was a poorly calculated move all around. Dorion traded good assets for a player about to be UFA and the player wasn’t even a fit in Ottawa. Forget about the argument of good or bad player, looking back it was a move that was going to fail.
The second truth is that Chychrun is a good player. In the right circumstances he will produce offensively. He will score goals and create on his own, which is very valuable for a team.
Staios arrived and got stuck with an underperfoming player who wasn’t a fit, and had an expiring deal. We had an offensive defensemen who wasn’t helping the team with a year left on his contract and had to acquire a right shot defensive defensemen. Right shot D are impossible to acquire and he was abke to get Jensen who has been miles better than Chychrun had ever been in Ottawa. Not only that, Chabot also took another step as a result of that move.
This to me was a great move. I will never look back and be mad at the return for Chychrun. This move might be the main reason we made the playoffs this year (especially with Zub out for a portion of the season) and we needed more Jensen less Chychrun. You can look at this move like Toronto’s looking at the Marner situation. Yes he’s a good player but Toronto would be a better team if they had a player who brought a different element in his place. It was much of the same here. Ottawa is a better team with Jensen, and Washington is extracting the most out of Chychrun - which was never going to happen here. It was a good move for both teams. Staios did great with that move.
I’d even argue that this was not a particularly difficult decision to make. I said it from day 1 in the trade thread that this team would be better with Jensen and it surely materialized. If there’s anything to be mad at it’s Dorion’s incompetence. Staios had a lot of hard work to do to get out of Dorion’s bad decisions and we will feel the effect of these decisions for a long time.
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In an AU, we trade Chabot for Jensen and a 3rd, sign Chychrun to 8 years at $7 million, and he ends up scoring enough to be worth the contract. But he is still buttery soft on D despite eating even more weird meats.
I love that Staios signed Kleven for a cheap caphit for multiple years. 2 years at $1,6 million aav gives us cap flexibility and isn't prematurely blowing the load because he had a good playoff series.
In comparison, Dorion gave Brannstrom a one-year $2 million deal when other players similar to him had multi-year deals at lower caphits.
Summer of Staios is starting pretty nice.
In comparison, Dorion gave Brannstrom a one-year $2 million deal when other players similar to him had multi-year deals at lower caphits.
Summer of Staios is starting pretty nice.
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Chabot is an interesting case this summer - Kleven is going to take his PK minutes and he’s working the 2nd PP.
If he’s down to 20 minutes TOI, and he’s not playing a key roll on the top
Pair or PP or Pk, and he kinda makes your D undersized - you wonder if they look to move him and get a guy who makes around $6 million in that spot and create more cap space and get a bigger guy.
Problem is the Sens need offense from the D and Chabot had by far his best season. Love me some Chabot but at some point you can’t keep rolling back a 2nd pairing Dman who’s making $8 million but isn’t any key minutes.
If he’s down to 20 minutes TOI, and he’s not playing a key roll on the top
Pair or PP or Pk, and he kinda makes your D undersized - you wonder if they look to move him and get a guy who makes around $6 million in that spot and create more cap space and get a bigger guy.
Problem is the Sens need offense from the D and Chabot had by far his best season. Love me some Chabot but at some point you can’t keep rolling back a 2nd pairing Dman who’s making $8 million but isn’t any key minutes.
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Chabot led our team in ES TOI and tilted the ice constantly, I don't think that's something we need to worry about.
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Regular season maybe, but playoffs I think the Sens D was exposed as undersized. And Sandy isn’t going anywhere so the fingers point to Chabot.
I love Chabot, but if there’s an upgrade there I think you take it.
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If he says something lazy, stupid and sexist about her in front of Thomas, Nichols will get called out.
WJC trial as a background and you’re dropping sexist jokes to Linus Ullmark who might be the most woke player in the NHL - I don’t think Nichols actually thinks this way he just let the laziness take over and went to some very stupid sexist hockey tropes and got called out by Wally and Ullmark as he should have been - doubt he ever does that again.
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Sure, I agree, but that feels like a pipe dream to me for at least the next year. If Chabot is dealt this summer, for example, I think there is a very good chance that he would be the best D to change teams.
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You were asked a few times what was said, but you never responded to anyone.
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While I agree, I don't see Chabot being moved simply because I think Andlauer loves the player & needs him with his strategy to acquire Gatineau fans. I think Chabot ends up retiring here tbh. Jensen given his age should be the first D replaced either through trade this yr while he still has some value or allowed to walk at yr's end when his contract is over. He will likely be replaced by Yakemchuk who is the big physical offensively inclined RD we need. With Jensen gone that frees up enough money to find a good TDL deal to be made.
Our 3rd pairing seem to be set given both Kleven & Matinpalo just got new deals. I also expect they will also add a big physical RD in this yr's draft in the later rounds like David Bedkowski RD in the 3rd/4th rd.
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Seeing Staois trade Norris and Korpisalo out and get better players in return has me thinking he’ll make bold moves and upgrade anyone who he thinks will get him a Cup.
Underrated on this team is how badly management and coaching want their Cup ring. Green, Staois, Poulin, Alfie - like these guys want it so bad I think they might want it more then some of the players on the team and in that case they’ll make the moves they need to upgrade.
That being said I love Chabot and would love to see him win a Cup here. But if we can sign Eklbad and flip Chabot for a top 6 winger, I’d do it
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Yeah, part of me feels like Staois will basically take care of general housekeeping this off-season, which would include getting contracts done for remaining RFA's like Zetterlund & Meri and then presumed signings of current UFA's like Giroux & Cousins & then possibly Gilbert & Forsberg and then sign a 4th line C.
Another part of me feels like Staios could have another big deal or two brewing, which could include us trading Chabot and/or Batherson. Lots of pretty big names swirling around with Ottawa being attached,
like Robertson, Peterka, Ekblad.
At least with Staois, it feels like there is a plan in place to build this team into a winner and we are not just trying to go big-game hunting to create a buzz and sell tickets.
Like you, I would really like Chabot (and Batherson) to be here and see them have a chance to have some success in the playoffs. I feel like these 2 players (along with Brady) really deserve that as they all have been here through all the nonsense with Dorion and Melnyk.
Felt the same way about Norris but I did think that was a really good trade in terms of offloading a bad contract, mostly due to his health concerns. A year ago, Sens would have had to add significantly to Norris just to trade him because of the risk involved as he was coming off his third surgery to his shoulder. Staios saw the opportunity to sell 'high' on Norris and get a serviceable player in Cozens & 2nd round pick from Buffalo, which helped them to make the trade for Zetterlund as well.
Chabot is coming off arguably his best season and the only season in which he did not miss any games to injury. Batherson is coming off his best season statistically and is on a very good contract for 2 more seasons. The timing might be best it's ever going to be this off-season to get the best possible return on these 2 players.
I think if you can make similar type deals like the Cozens/Norris trade, where you essentially replace those players with an equal or better player (arguably) & get assets (picks, prospects, young player) in the deal to help build up the pipeline and/or to make other moves, this makes sense to me.
In the three elimination games we played in the playoffs Chabot was excellent. He was our best player in Game 6. +1, 2 pts and 26 mins....
If in the most important game of the year he's your best player then i'm not sure what more we can ask for.
I agree Chabot got exposed in the playoffs. If he was a $5 or $6 million guy he's worth keeping but at $8 million I would trade him for a high quality physical D man.
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Dude had 4 points in 6 games, was a +1 and played 24 min a game in his first play off series. He was great in high pressure elimination games.
He can still play better, but I'd say he had a good playoff performance
My point is that he is not a difference maker. He was good but Sanderson is better at the same things. Chabot doesn't win puck battles in his own end often enough and can't clear the front of the net. The Sens need a big tough Dmen in their top 4.
We’re going to need a big, tough Dman to play with Chabot in the top 4. Not to replace him.
You need a guy who can move the puck on each pairing in the top 4. Chabot does that well, and with the cap increasing, his contract on the back-end will be very favorable.
As he gets into his 30s, I could see him turning into a Jay Bouwmeester in St.Louis type player. That’s a pretty valuable guy to have.
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