Management UPDATE: Steve Staios GM and POHO, Dave Poulin Senior VP of Hockey Operations

[Knave]

No big surprise. I'll be surprised if he lands anything more than a scouting role .. if that in the NHL.

He can be an assistant GM again I think but that's as high as he should go if you want a good team. He misses big so you need a GM to be a sober second thought. But he can run a good scouting team and some of his ideas are good.

 

[Cosmix]

I agree with this.

I think his track record had good and bad to it. The NHL is an old boys league and he's been around for 25+ years. Someone would have given him a job.

But the Dandonov thing points to a personal integrity issue. I think if he never works in the league again it'll be because of that.

I am bit surprised though that we haven't heard one word of him since he got canned

When he left the team, I recall that the words used by Andlauer was that Dorion submitted his resignation and the team accepted it. That seems to indicate that he is no longer employed by the team and is not getting paid anymore. Of course, just because those words were used, does not mean that they are accurate about what actually happened.

 

[Tuna99]

After listening to the Poulin interview (how smooth is this guy, he’s like the ultimate gentleman with an elite hockey mind I’m very happy he’s here) he didn’t say it directly but having Bowness, Staois and Poulin you have 3 generations of excellent hockey people all with contacts through different trees and it’s super great for our organization. Between the 3 of them they must know almost everyone at every level of hockey. Good on Staois for having the 3 headed monster.

Good things coming for this team. We have an excellent front office - how polished Staois and Poulin are is such a massive upgrade for this team - it’s like going from working an Uber to working at an elite law firm

 

[jhutter]

After listening to the Poulin interview (how smooth is this guy, he’s like the ultimate gentleman with an elite hockey mind I’m very happy he’s here) he didn’t say it directly but having Bowness, Staois and Poulin you have 3 generations of excellent hockey people all with contacts through different trees and it’s super great for our organization. Between the 3 of them they must know almost everyone at every level of hockey. Good on Staois for having the 3 headed monster.

Good things coming for this team. We have an excellent front office - how polished Staois and Poulin are is such a massive upgrade for this team - it’s like going from working an Uber to working at an elite law firm

After Dorion, the added professionalism is nice, but at this point, all I care about is winning. Staios is a rookie GM and Poulin doesn't exactly have a sparkling track record.

Really hoping these guys can walk the walk.

 

[Cosmix]

After listening to the Poulin interview (how smooth is this guy, he’s like the ultimate gentleman with an elite hockey mind I’m very happy he’s here) he didn’t say it directly but having Bowness, Staois and Poulin you have 3 generations of excellent hockey people all with contacts through different trees and it’s super great for our organization. Between the 3 of them they must know almost everyone at every level of hockey. Good on Staois for having the 3 headed monster.

Good things coming for this team. We have an excellent front office - how polished Staois and Poulin are is such a massive upgrade for this team - it’s like going from working an Uber to working at an elite law firm

I will wait before anointing this management team as an "excellent front office".

 

[GCK]

I will wait before anointing this management team as an "excellent front office".

Reading your posts on this subject over the last number of months, I think you have already made your mind up. You have been extremely negative.

 

[Tuna99]

I will wait before anointing this management team as an "excellent front office".

That’s fair. To see where Alvin taken the Canucks in 12 months from Bruce Boudreau making jokes that maybe he’d be getting fired to this team he’s built in Nashville - this should be the bar for the Sens (but Staois doesn’t have the same goalie or a proven playoff squad so it fair but this Canucks team is really impressive from where they were)

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

After listening to the Poulin interview (how smooth is this guy, he’s like the ultimate gentleman with an elite hockey mind I’m very happy he’s here) he didn’t say it directly but having Bowness, Staois and Poulin you have 3 generations of excellent hockey people all with contacts through different trees and it’s super great for our organization. Between the 3 of them they must know almost everyone at every level of hockey. Good on Staois for having the 3 headed monster.

Good things coming for this team. We have an excellent front office - how polished Staois and Poulin are is such a massive upgrade for this team - it’s like going from working an Uber to working at an elite law firm

talk is cheap.....

Actions speak louder than words.... so when there's some action, we'll be able to make a better assessment.... right now, all sizzle and no steak.

 

[otown]

Staois, Poulin and Bowness provide the organization with a new state of professionalism (as mentioned previously) that will give the organization some credibility that was lacking in years gone by.
The rest of the league GM's knows what a *#**show it was here and players may be more likely to play here given the changing of the guard. Still lots of work to be done but the organization is moving in the right direction.

 

[Cosmix]

Reading your posts on this subject over the last number of months, I think you have already made your mind up. You have been extremely negative.

When Staios makes some player moves that improve the team, I will applaud them. Until then there is nothing to applaud. I have said I hope he does well.

I felt the same about Dorion when he was hired.

 

[Crosside]

Nobody mention this last night. Poulin said the team gonna play a game in Gatineau in September

 

[Micklebot]

Nobody mention this last night. Poulin said the team gonna play a game in Gatineau in September

It's a black and white game during training camp,

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801030143676211624

 

[Wondercarrot]

talk is cheap.....

Actions speak louder than words.... so when there's some action, we'll be able to make a better assessment.... right now, all sizzle and no steak.

They’ve completely remade every aspect of the organization off ice.
Or are you the kind of guy who starts with the roof when you build a house?

 

[Beech]

They’ve completely remade every aspect of the organization off ice.
Or are you the kind of guy who starts with the roof when you build a house?

We are different here. This is not some open lot that we are building a house on. So yes, excavate and pour the foundation first!

We are in year 7 of a catastrophe. In year 10 of TYOUF (the F is for failure). And we are 17 years past a Stanley cup run, that has seen this team be a shell of its former self. We are as of now, #4 from the bottom in terms of points accumulated over the last 17 years. And may be 1-2 seasons away from being at the absolute bottom.

We have missed the playoffs 11 years out of that 17. In an NHL that was for large parts of that time 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs.

We are in year 6 of a rebuild. One that was suppose to be 3-4 years long. We have missed the playoffs 7 consecutive years. One more year and we will enter the Hall of Shame and hit the dubious 8 year threshold.

Effectively, this house has been under construction for 17 years. It is long past its completion date. It is in shambles. Has cost us our pride. Has made us the laughing stock of the hockey world. We are pitied!!!

So Staios et all, have to redo the house. So, we need them to fix the roof, the outside walls, the inside walls, the floors, the ceilings, the basement, the plumbing, the electricity, the gas, the laundry room, the bathroom, and so on... And do so ASAP. And fix all of it.

Because at some point, being told tomorrow. STOPS.

Tnuoc is conveying a sentiment that is way more prevalent than you assume.

 

[Wondercarrot]

We are different here. This is not some open lot that we are building a house on. So yes, excavate and pour the foundation first!

We are in year 7 of a catastrophe. In year 10 of TYOUF (the F is for failure). And we are 17 years past a Stanley cup run, that has seen this team be a shell of its former self. We are as of now, #4 from the bottom in terms of points accumulated over the last 17 years. And may be 1-2 seasons away from being at the absolute bottom.

We have missed the playoffs 11 years out of that 17. In an NHL that was for large parts of that time 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs.

We are in year 6 of a rebuild. One that was suppose to be 3-4 years long. We have missed the playoffs 7 consecutive years. One more year and we will enter the Hall of Shame and hit the dubious 8 year threshold.

Effectively, this house has been under construction for 17 years. It is long past its completion date. It is in shambles. Has cost us our pride. Has made us the laughing stock of the hockey world. We are pitied!!!

So Staios et all, have to redo the house. So, we need them to fix the roof, the outside walls, the inside walls, the floors, the ceilings, the basement, the plumbing, the electricity, the gas, the laundry room, the bathroom, and so on... And do so ASAP. And fix all of it.

Because at some point, being told tomorrow. STOPS.

Tnuoc is conveying a sentiment that is way more prevalent than you assume.

The current owner/contractor is not responsible for the 17 years, not responsible for the 6 years, he is not responsible for the condemned lot.
Asking the new contractor to come in and fix everything immediately or your fired is how you end up with another 17 years of idiocy, another 6 years of rebuild.


I’m in favour of doing it right, not doing it fast - Of course I’d like it done fast but again, not at the expense of doing it right.
I couldnt care less what the prevailing sentiment of short sighted people might be…leadership means understanding people’s concerns but also that short term hits may need to be taken in order to do things properly for long lasting success.

 

[Beech]

The current owner/contractor is not responsible for the 17 years, not responsible for the 6 years, he is not responsible for the condemned lot.
Asking the new contractor to come in and fix everything immediately or your fired is how you end up with another 17 years of idiocy, another 6 years of rebuild.


I’m in favour of doing it right, not doing it fast - Of course I’d like it done fast but again, not at the expense of doing it right.
I couldnt care less what the prevailing sentiment of short sighted people might be…leadership means understanding people’s concerns but also that short term hits may need to be taken in order to do things properly for long lasting success.

A contract was signed with the a contractor. If he sells his business to a new contractor. The contract is still valid. And responsibility is maintained.

What you are proposing and advocating is. Sell the business and you are without obligation. NO.. and not legal.

1) The Ottawa Senators are a continuous entity.
2) They are a franchise in a league

And so, responsibility is maintained.

It is not Andlauer or Staios that want me to buy a ticket, or watch on TV, or endorse government money to build an arena. It is the Senators and the NHL.

Why don't I sell my home to my wife, forfeit all that is remaining on my Mortgage and be scot free? Because it is illegal

Should I die, my heirs will have to pay off the mortgage. Even though they were not responsible.

A judge can award some plaintiff thousands. If all I have is my home, they get what is left after the mortgage company. It could be zero. Even though they are not responsible.

What you are advocating is wonderful. A team is sold every 10 years. The league can be in the toilette forever and no issues. Hey, teh previous owner. Lovely.

Tell me, should we have been okay with Olivia and her sister? After all, it was their Dad that f***ed things up. Do we give them more years? How about if the Euge had not died and turned it over to someone to run. All is forgiven? Not me, it was Eugene.

If you get into an accident while driving your brother's car, no issues? No insurance hikes, you or your brother?

Ottawa Senators, not Andlauer Senators. NHL senators. Who owns it at any one moment is of no meaning. They have a mess, they need to fix it. Or way more people than you think, will stay at home.

 

[Wondercarrot]

A contract was signed with the a contractor. If he sells his business to a new contractor. The contract is still valid. And responsibility is maintained.

What you are proposing and advocating is. Sell the business and you are without obligation. NO.. and not legal.

1) The Ottawa Senators are a continuous entity.
2) They are a franchise in a league

And so, responsibility is maintained.

It is not Andlauer or Staios that want me to buy a ticket, or watch on TV, or endorse government money to build an arena. It is the Senators and the NHL.

Why don't I sell my home to my wife, forfeit all that is remaining on my Mortgage and be scot free? Because it is illegal

Should I die, my heirs will have to pay off the mortgage. Even though they were not responsible.

A judge can award some plaintiff thousands. If all I have is my home, they get what is left after the mortgage company. It could be zero. Even though they are not responsible.

What you are advocating is wonderful. A team is sold every 10 years. The league can be in the toilette forever and no issues. Hey, teh previous owner. Lovely.

Tell me, should we have been okay with Olivia and her sister? After all, it was their Dad that f***ed things up. Do we give them more years? How about if the Euge had not died and turned it over to someone to run. All is forgiven? Not me, it was Eugene.

If you get into an accident while driving your brother's car, no issues? No insurance hikes, you or your brother?

Ottawa Senators, not Andlauer Senators. NHL senators. Who owns it at any one moment is of no meaning. They have a mess, they need to fix it. Or way more people than you think, will stay at home.

I’m sure a part of you realizes that you’ve stretched a straightforward analogy into a preposterous unrelated pretzel with no bearing in reality.
Any fair minded person would recognize the challenges facing the incoming group and grant them latitude to fix a horrific situation.
Like I said Andlauer is no fool, and knows what leadership is all about - it’s his money and I’m glad he’s willing spend to do it right rather than placate shortsighted idiots.

A small minority so anxious to hate this team, hate the ownership, hate the front office. I personally find it extraordinarily baffling after what we’ve had to put up with the last decade.
People are certainly welcome to their opinions, just as I’m under no obligation to entertain those opinion nor have any respect for them.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I’m sure a part of you realizes that you’ve stretched a straightforward analogy into a preposterous unrelated pretzel with no bearing in reality.
Any fair minded person would recognize the challenges facing the incoming group and grant them latitude to fix a horrific situation.
Like I said Andlauer is no fool, and knows what leadership is all about - it’s his money and I’m glad he’s willing spend to do it right rather than placate shortsighted idiots.

A small minority so anxious to hate this team, hate the ownership, hate the front office. I personally find it extraordinarily baffling after what we’ve had to put up with the last decade.
People are certainly welcome to their opinions, just as I’m under no obligation to entertain those opinion nor have any respect for them.

Incoming comparison to the sun and the moon and and the polar magnets vs the Senators.

 

[Big Muddy]

We are different here. This is not some open lot that we are building a house on. So yes, excavate and pour the foundation first!

We are in year 7 of a catastrophe. In year 10 of TYOUF (the F is for failure). And we are 17 years past a Stanley cup run, that has seen this team be a shell of its former self. We are as of now, #4 from the bottom in terms of points accumulated over the last 17 years. And may be 1-2 seasons away from being at the absolute bottom.

We have missed the playoffs 11 years out of that 17. In an NHL that was for large parts of that time 30 teams and 16 make the playoffs.

We are in year 6 of a rebuild. One that was suppose to be 3-4 years long. We have missed the playoffs 7 consecutive years. One more year and we will enter the Hall of Shame and hit the dubious 8 year threshold.

Effectively, this house has been under construction for 17 years. It is long past its completion date. It is in shambles. Has cost us our pride. Has made us the laughing stock of the hockey world. We are pitied!!!

So Staios et all, have to redo the house. So, we need them to fix the roof, the outside walls, the inside walls, the floors, the ceilings, the basement, the plumbing, the electricity, the gas, the laundry room, the bathroom, and so on... And do so ASAP. And fix all of it.

Because at some point, being told tomorrow. STOPS.

Tnuoc is conveying a sentiment that is way more prevalent than you assume.

Your long tome didn’t even address the point that the poster you replied to made. The poster stated that a lot of coaches and personnel have already been added. We already know that the Senators have been rebuilding and have done poorly, but that is a different topic versus the subject the poster stated.

Of course the Count is doing his thing and is skeptical. But he backed the former regime religiously who put us in our current mess and for whatever reason hasn’t any patience and isn’t interested in seeing how this plays out under a new regime. I have no issue in “wait and see” attitude btw. Lots of people have that.

 

[Beech]

Your long tome didn’t even address the point that the poster you replied to made. The poster stated that a lot of coaches and personnel have already been added. We already know that the Senators have been rebuilding and have done poorly, but that is a different topic versus the subject the poster stated.

Of course the Count is doing his thing and is skeptical. But he backed the former regime religiously who put us in our current mess and for whatever reason hasn’t any patience and isn’t interested in seeing how this plays out under a new regime. I have no issue in “wait and see” attitude btw. Lots of people have that.

Muddy,

I read. I always go back to the original post. And read.

What I replied to was: Tnuoc is questioning what action(s) have taken place. And Wondercarrot is saying; well they changed the tradesmen. And a suggestion that we are being unreasonable. That somehow, we hired a contractor to build us the house and we want the roof built first.

My reply is: it is the team/contractor and not the tradesmen.

That Andlauer needs to understand, at some point, the project must be finished. The house must be built, built well and turned over.

In the real world, there are financial penalties. Failure to meet deadlines can be accompanied by fines and withholdings, etc. Regardless of who may own the company at the time.

As it appears, as it seems, we have yet to see any move that suggest they are working on the team. And as Tnuoc wrote. I will judge after I see. They have not done anything for us to judge. And judging itself takes some time.

When you buy a home, closing date and turn over dates are real and etched in stone. As courtesy, you may allow the previous owner a few extra days to leave. Those had better not hurt you, or impose on you. But you do not allow 2 years! And the seller may allow you 2-3 days to finalize your finances, not 2 years.

as for the long tome comment. Please, stop showing your ignorance. The fact that your attention span is that of a gnat, should have you embarrassed.

 

[BondraTime]

This is a shit team.

The fact that it was 7 years of dog, and the team “should” be coming up after a long rebuild, doesn’t mean this was an immediate turnaround. They legit need to rebuild most of the rebuild.

This group is doing things correctly.

The fact some want immediate or quick results because the former regime were so awful for so long and the team can’t continue to be poor doesn’t change that, it just makes them unrealistic

 

[Loach]

Muddy,

I read. I always go back to the original post. And read.

What I replied to was: Tnuoc is questioning what action(s) have taken place. And Wondercarrot is saying; well they changed the tradesmen. And a suggestion that we are being unreasonable. That somehow, we hired a contractor to build us the house and we want the roof built first.

My reply is: it is the team/contractor and not the tradesmen.

That Andlauer needs to understand, at some point, the project must be finished. The house must be built, built well and turned over.

In the real world, there are financial penalties. Failure to meet deadlines can be accompanied by fines and withholdings, etc. Regardless of who may own the company at the time.

As it appears, as it seems, we have yet to see any move that suggest they are working on the team. And as Tnuoc wrote. I will judge after I see. They have not done anything for us to judge. And judging itself takes some time.

When you buy a home, closing date and turn over dates are real and etched in stone. As courtesy, you may allow the previous owner a few extra days to leave. Those had better not hurt you, or impose on you. But you do not allow 2 years! And the seller may allow you 2-3 days to finalize your finances, not 2 years.

as for the long tome comment. Please, stop showing your ignorance. The fact that your attention span is that of a gnat, should have you embarrassed.

Do you talk in analogies in person?

 

[Hale The Villain]

This is a shit team.

The fact that it was 7 years of dog, and the team “should” be coming up after a long rebuild, doesn’t mean this was an immediate turnaround. They legit need to rebuild most of the rebuild.

This group is doing things correctly.

The fact some want immediate or quick results doesn’t change that, it just makes them unrealistic

Yes and no.

With even mediocre level goaltending from Korpisalo + Forsberg we would have been close to making the playoffs, and on paper this team is as good or better than a number of teams that were closer to a playoff spot than we were.

I'm definitely not in favour of trading more of our future away for short-term fixes, but this team should be challenging for a playoff spot next year and Staios should do what he can to help the team's chances, obviously without doing further harm to the team's future.

 

[Big Muddy]

Do you talk in analogies in person?

Some people should start off their posts with the statement: “This reminds me very little of the time that ….. (insert irrelevant blah, blah, blah stuff here)". LOL.

 

[Loach]

Some people should start off their posts with the statement: “This reminds me very little of the time that ….. (insert irrelevant blah, blah, blah stuff here)". LOL.

Our very own Cliff Clavin. Hehehe