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Upcoming Spencer Knight decision
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Gentle Man
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Don't re-sign Ekblad.
Maybe the fans of this board started attending the games! Most likely most just enjoyed pain and punishment and now we're good it is not as much fun to complain.
Maybe the fans of this board started attending the games! Most likely most just enjoyed pain and punishment and now we're good it is not as much fun to complain.
Knight - put him on the block, see who calls. If you have to retain a bit and get a late 2nd for him? What's his value?
His mental workload is what scares me off from him, still extremely young as well.
Tough call but not sure Zito has time to wait to see if he can handle 50 or so games. I will be shocked if Knight is here long term or staying for another contract.
Bobrovsky - talk to him in July, see what his plan is then and if he plans on playing for another contract after this one.
I personally think he's done after this deal is up, he got his Cup, 2 Vezinas and made a lot of money.
Maybe he goes on LTIR the final year while Zito finds a replacement and Bob comes back post deadline for one final run?
If he plans on playing a few more years, you trade him with one year left with retention and pray for a decent return while he still has the Cup aura around him.
We've know for a while about fixing the defense but the goaltending actually seems like a bigger focus this July.
His mental workload is what scares me off from him, still extremely young as well.
Tough call but not sure Zito has time to wait to see if he can handle 50 or so games. I will be shocked if Knight is here long term or staying for another contract.
Bobrovsky - talk to him in July, see what his plan is then and if he plans on playing for another contract after this one.
I personally think he's done after this deal is up, he got his Cup, 2 Vezinas and made a lot of money.
Maybe he goes on LTIR the final year while Zito finds a replacement and Bob comes back post deadline for one final run?
If he plans on playing a few more years, you trade him with one year left with retention and pray for a decent return while he still has the Cup aura around him.
We've know for a while about fixing the defense but the goaltending actually seems like a bigger focus this July.
Dread Clawz
LAWSonic Boom
Keep the Bob-Knight tandem, as Knight's value isn't gonna get you what you want. Bob will need a successor soon, see how Knight does next season, he will still be a RFA , so if you want to trade him you can still trade him then and then the acquiring team still has a young goalie under control, and he might increase his value by then so that might be an asset with some reasonable value then. Buying out and throwing away a 1st round pick is dumb, when we don't have many assets anyway.
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Get rid of both whenever possible and find a motivated goalie. He’ll want to come here and win a ring. Forget about $10M fakes.
goalies who are ufa next year if we drop knight
Quick is old as shit but has been playing really solid under the rags and can be had for cheap
Lyon is also a UFA and hes played solid for the red wings and us, dunno what value hes gonna ask for though
All for getting someone cheaper than knight to shore up the D
Quick is old as shit but has been playing really solid under the rags and can be had for cheap
Lyon is also a UFA and hes played solid for the red wings and us, dunno what value hes gonna ask for though
All for getting someone cheaper than knight to shore up the D
If we do move Knight and need a 1b capable of 35-40 games, I'd like Zito to pry Logan Thompson away from Washington in free agency.
He's posted some good enough numbers in Vegas and having success with Capitals this year. Turning 28 in February but is likely looking for a big payday.
He's posted some good enough numbers in Vegas and having success with Capitals this year. Turning 28 in February but is likely looking for a big payday.
Dread Clawz
LAWSonic Boom
He's gonna get at least 5M, he's won 12 of his first 15 games there, and playing great. Gonna make more than Knight for sure .
I'm okay with Zito paying money for proven results, it would be a bidding war if he keeps up this level of performance with Washington.
Varlamov has decent numbers with Islanders but he's 37 soon and has 2 years left.
Slim pickings in net this July and guys with 1 or 2 years of term.
Dread Clawz
LAWSonic Boom
Exactly my point, it's not like there's a whole lot out there to replace Knight. No way we give a big, long term deal to Thompson when we already have Bob.
I don't think Knight is a year or two away from being a 50 game goalie.
Zito may be forced to move Bob if he can find his replacement level starter who's only 28.
Gentle Man
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I'd think that if Zito was even contemplating about trading Knight then that would've happened a long time ago.
Gentle Man
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IMO this is a pure offseason move.
If Knight stays inconsistent, his trade value is nil. Cheaper in terms of picks or cap back to just buy him out at 750k.
Sign a cheap back and hope Bob stays healthy in 25-26.
Look to free agency and/or trades for the future goalie.
If Knight starts to show consistency/why he was drafted where he was, then I would look into keeping him in a tandem, and look to move Bob. 1 year at 10 mil is a big ask, and IIRC he still has a M-NTC so not like Zito has 31 teams to choose from. Probably would have to retain.
And if bought out his 25-26 cap hit is 6.67, which is too high to just buy him out.
If Knight stays inconsistent, his trade value is nil. Cheaper in terms of picks or cap back to just buy him out at 750k.
Sign a cheap back and hope Bob stays healthy in 25-26.
Look to free agency and/or trades for the future goalie.
If Knight starts to show consistency/why he was drafted where he was, then I would look into keeping him in a tandem, and look to move Bob. 1 year at 10 mil is a big ask, and IIRC he still has a M-NTC so not like Zito has 31 teams to choose from. Probably would have to retain.
And if bought out his 25-26 cap hit is 6.67, which is too high to just buy him out.
- Mar 21, 2006
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Suddenly our goalie situation sucks bad. I hope Zito is doing something. I hope Luongo is doing something. But really I don’t need to know about any of the back stories if the two guys are stopping the puck, the D is helping them, and we’re winning games. But when every f***ing game one or two of the first 5-6 shots go into our net, I start to feel pissed. Yeah, they have a stressful job… boohoo, cry me a f***ing river, you wanted it, now all you Panthers need to start doing your f***ing jobs. Spencer got all the help anyone can be given, Bob gets more money than his performance level, both goalies are beaten to the same spots all the time, spend the time to practice and start getting results!
WaitingForThatCab
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I think if you get a good offer for Knight that can help the team right now in a second Cup run, you have to take it. Thing is, I don't think the team is going to get a good offer for Knight, so you might as well just let him play it out.
Gizmo Tkachuk
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Both goalies have struggled for most of the season. Is it their fault or is it inconsistent defensive play from the rest of the team?
Despite being 12th it feels like the PK has regressed. Losing Stenlund is a part of that, I don’t remember how much OEL played on the kill.
I also don’t see Ekblad being traded unless a RHD is coming back that can play his same workload and they aren’t exactly growing on trees.
Despite being 12th it feels like the PK has regressed. Losing Stenlund is a part of that, I don’t remember how much OEL played on the kill.
I also don’t see Ekblad being traded unless a RHD is coming back that can play his same workload and they aren’t exactly growing on trees.
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Look at the last two games, specifically the Coleman goal (vs Knight) and the Connor Brown goal (vs Bobrovsky). When you have unscreened shots go in from bad angles on a regular basis, something is very wrong with your goaltending. You can't even pretend those goals are on the defense.
No goalie is going to save 100%, and yes, sometimes stinkers get through, but when you have nuclear grade turds leaking through two games in a row, on two different goaltenders, don't tell me it's the defense just because both goalies are refusing to flush the bowl.
If Knight was on a cheaper contract we wouldn't be having this conversation. Goalies are hard to predict, Bob was trash at times and paid insane money but was worth it when it mattered.
People are also so impatient with prospects, teams move on too early all the time on players that mature late (see many of our best pick ups). Goalies rarely dominate in their early 20s, but we've seen multiple we've moved on from turn into solid starters after a few years in the league.
I say accept the pain, cap is going up anyway, and reassess in two years. If he still looks like he is struggling sure, trade him, but the worry is he will become a star elsewhere and we will regret it if we move him so early in his career.
People are also so impatient with prospects, teams move on too early all the time on players that mature late (see many of our best pick ups). Goalies rarely dominate in their early 20s, but we've seen multiple we've moved on from turn into solid starters after a few years in the league.
I say accept the pain, cap is going up anyway, and reassess in two years. If he still looks like he is struggling sure, trade him, but the worry is he will become a star elsewhere and we will regret it if we move him so early in his career.
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Point is though, the next 3 years are the golden years for Panthers. They’re in the mix to win the Cup each of those years. The Cup only arrives through solid D and spectacular G. I don’t want to throw those years away because Spencer might be a star when the window is gone.
IMO it's a very risky move to give up on Knight right now. He still has potential to get his career in gear and become a star goaltender. As @Manc Cat mentioned, we've seen young goalies move on from our organization and become successful elsewhere. I do think Knight will figure it out eventually and I'd rather that happen here.
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I said that if the team gets a great offer for Knight right now, they should take it... but I think that's fantasy, and also shaded by my pessimism about the player pulling it together. For Bill Zito -- who does apparently have faith in Knight -- he should stick to his guns and play this for the long term.
I think the goal for the Panthers should be to manage assets in such a way that the core we have is kept together as much as possible (and they are doing that) and then the team reloads to be good after the elite window has closed. The common wisdom that you have to be bad after being good is... something I think this management group should challenge.
Bill Zito has shown that he can get players to sign here for under market-value. The Panthers have shown that they can attract hungry guys looking to reestablish their careers on value contracts. This team has one of the best -- if not the best -- pro scouting organizations on the planet. And finally, we're about to shift from several years of salary freeze into several years of salary expansion, at a time when all of the Panthers' leftover buyouts and bad contracts are coming off the books.
Bill Zito says he has faith in Knight, and if he isn't just saying that for public relations purposes, then the goal should be to maximize Knight's development and get him re-signed on a team-friendly deal.
I think the goal for the Panthers should be to manage assets in such a way that the core we have is kept together as much as possible (and they are doing that) and then the team reloads to be good after the elite window has closed. The common wisdom that you have to be bad after being good is... something I think this management group should challenge.
Bill Zito has shown that he can get players to sign here for under market-value. The Panthers have shown that they can attract hungry guys looking to reestablish their careers on value contracts. This team has one of the best -- if not the best -- pro scouting organizations on the planet. And finally, we're about to shift from several years of salary freeze into several years of salary expansion, at a time when all of the Panthers' leftover buyouts and bad contracts are coming off the books.
Bill Zito says he has faith in Knight, and if he isn't just saying that for public relations purposes, then the goal should be to maximize Knight's development and get him re-signed on a team-friendly deal.
