Unpopular opinions

[vadim sharifijanov]

Ehlers is better than Connor.

Kyle or McDavid?

hellebuyck obvs

seriously though, ehlers had a few good moments but kyle connor was a straight up stud tonight. best player on the ice after binnington.

 

[Sergei Bure]

When Mike Richter was on fire (like 1994 Playoffs, World Cup 1996 final against Canada), he was on Hasek's level, he just didn't have the career consistency...

 

[Sergei Bure]

Ed Belfour was on Patrick Roy level...

 

[The Panther]

Eric Lindros is the most overrated star in history. A.I.N.E.C.

Except on this forum, where he's probably the most underrated.

 

[Sergei Bure]

Sergei Zubov was on Nicklas Lidström level...

 

[Victorias]

hellebuyck obvs

seriously though, ehlers had a few good moments but kyle connor was a straight up stud tonight. best player on the ice after binnington.

You mean apart from losing his man on the 1st Blues goal and the horrendous giveaway that led to the second?

 

[Michael Farkas]

Sergei Zubov was on Nicklas Lidström level...

I'd be interested to hear more about this if you're so willing...

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

You mean apart from losing his man on the 1st Blues goal and the horrendous giveaway that led to the second?

haha i didn’t get home until the beginning of the second

 

[Stockyard]

Socks with sandals look good.

 

[The Panther]

Socks with sandals look good.

Good Lord man, do you also wear black socks?

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

When Mike Richter was on fire (like 1994 Playoffs, World Cup 1996 final against Canada), he was on Hasek's level, he just didn't have the career consistency...

Mike Richter is a major catalyst for the Rangers dark ages from 1998 to 2004. That shot he flubbed on vs Pittsburgh caused a chain reaction that won a cup later on destroyed evreything else.

 

[yukoner88]

Mike Richter is a major catalyst for the Rangers dark ages from 1998 to 2004. That shot he flubbed on vs Pittsburgh caused a chain reaction that won a cup later on destroyed evreything else.

Years of trading good young players for aging vets for 6 years had finally caught up to the rangers in 98.

Then they tried to buy their way out of the basement instead of developing youth.

 

[MeHateHe]

Socks with sandals look good.

Reported. Blocked. Banned. Exiled.

 

[CharlestownChiefsESC]

Years of reading good young players for aging vets for 6 years had finally caught up to the rangers in 98.

Then they tried to buy their way out of the basement instead of developing youth.

They dont blow it in 92 that doesn't happen

 

[Stockyard]

Good Lord man, do you also wear black socks?

Usually white socks with black sandals.

 

[Sergei Bure]

I'd be interested to hear more about this if you're so willing...

Lindstrom was a better defender, but Zubov was a better offensive player with better vision and better puck handling ability. Unfortunately the Dallas market doesn't have the same mystique of Detroit "Hockey Town" and that's why Lindstrom today is a bigger legend.

And for most of his career, Lindstrom was surrounded by much better talent...

 

[Stockyard]

Rory Fitzpatrick should have gone to the all star game.

 

[MadLuke]

Lidstrom vs Zubov is a original debate.

1998 to 2006 for an era were both in "charge", Zubov became the Stars number 1 guy on the PP that year, Coffey was long gone, etc...

Lidstrom Wings is the best powerplay of the league with a good clear little gap over everyone, Stars are fifth closer to #10 than the Wings are to the second place Avalanche.

Lidstrom RedWings are by far the best offense in the league, with Lidstrom scoring points at a 17% higher pace than Zubov.

How much Lidstrom scored more because he was on a more stacked powerplay vs he helped make is power play better, how much of an offensive gap was there really (if we include getting the puck cleanly out of your own zone as the start of the offense) ? And if there is one, does it make up for one of the lowest error rate defensive player in league history ?

 

[Sadekuuro]

Even as a Lidstrom guy I think I'd agree Zubov was better offensively, at least in a vacuum (Lidstrom perhaps better at using his teammates, but Zubov was better at skating and handling the puck and smart enough to leverage these talents). Considering the era, in Dallas' system, on that mushy ice, Zubov's numbers don't do him justice. He was fantastic.


However, Nick was a defense first player who happened to also excel offensively, so this kind of comparison doesn't remotely capture his real impact.

 

[Sergei Bure]

You can make a case that Paul Coffey around 1984 or 1985, was the best player on the planet...

 

[wetcoast]

I'd be interested to hear more about this if you're so willing...

There was an analytics guy that made the argument for Zubov winning the Norris for the 05-06 season over Nik but still it would only be for one season.

Sam Gagner for one game was better than anyone in the league but how must stock are we going to put in one game, some stretch one season ect....?

 

[yada]

Years of reading good young players for aging vets for 6 years had finally caught up to the rangers in 98.

Then they tried to buy their way out of the basement instead of developing youth.

Rangers convinced us that manny malholtra, pavel brendl, al montoya, hugh jessiman all were gonna be stars and save the franchise. =/

 

[yukoner88]

Rangers convinced us that manny malholtra, pavel brendl, al montoya, hugh jessiman all were gonna be stars and save the franchise. =/

meant to say trading, but auto-correct got me lol

 

[The Panther]

Sam Gagner for one game was better than anyone in the league but how must stock are we going to put in one game, some stretch one season ect....?

Fun fact: Sam Gagner scored 11 points in three consecutive periods of NHL hockey, the most by any player, ever (after the 1920s).

 

[JFedol]

There is no doubt, WAY MORE levels to generational stats and........another generational player that has a higher offensive ceiling than all of Gretzky/Orr/Howe/Lemieux combined, something like a 600pt level player out there that was probably never discovered.