WWE: UFC notified of potential Brock Lesnar anti-doping violation

[The Lunatic Fridge]

btw, this is a drug taken by males coming off a cycle.

A cycle of what?

In any case, If brock wins at summerslam i would be shocked.

 

[RockLobster]

A cycle of what?

In any case, If brock wins at summerslam i would be shocked.

Giving Orton the "Lesnar rub"? That would suck...

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

Giving Orton the "Lesnar rub"? That would suck...

They immediately dropped the belt to Dean from their golden child for a drug violation and humbled him in the locker room. I imagine a part time lesnar isn't going to get it any easier.

Can't exactly let him go unpunished.

 

[RockLobster]

They immediately dropped the belt to Dean from their golden child for a drug violation and humbled him in the locker room. I imagine a part time lesnar isn't going to get it any easier.

Can't exactly let him go unpunished.

I'm not necessarily saying have him go unpunished, but...yeah, I don't know what the answer is right now.

Maybe have someone like KO beat the hell out of Orton to get him out of the match, then he takes it and goes over. That rub needs to go to someone other than an established star because it'll help MAKE a new Main Eventer/Star.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

A cycle of what?

In any case, If brock wins at summerslam i would be shocked.

A steroid cycle. Usually you're on a cycle for three months when taking them and then you go off them for a bit. You're not on them constantly.

Steroids = increase in testosterone which in turn creates excess estrogen, hence the use of estrogen blockers.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

I'm not necessarily saying have him go unpunished, but...yeah, I don't know what the answer is right now.

Maybe have someone like KO beat the hell out of Orton to get him out of the match, then he takes it and goes over. That rub needs to go to someone other than an established star because it'll help MAKE a new Main Eventer/Star.

Or you can just have Orton beat lesnar and then have someone on smackdown beat orton.

KO is on raw so beating up orton wouldn't even make sense.

 

[RockLobster]

Or you can just have Orton beat lesnar and then have someone on smackdown beat orton.

KO is on raw so beating up orton wouldn't even make sense.

It doesn't mean as much if someone beats Orton even if he beats Lesnar.

And KO could beat up Orton just because he "wants the match against Lesnar. It's big money and he wants to beat the Beast for a bigger payday for his family"...or something along those lines.

Same situation as 'Taker. They should've given that rub to a young up-and-comer to truly establish them. They gave it to Lesnar...okay, Brock then goes on to brutalize any other opponent he has, that's fine, it builds the rub. Don't give that to Orton and then have someone beat Orton. They already made the initial mistake of not having a young guy beat Undertaker, don't repeat the mistake.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

It doesn't mean as much if someone beats Orton even if he beats Lesnar.

And KO could beat up Orton just because he "wants the match against Lesnar. It's big money and he wants to beat the Beast for a bigger payday for his family"...or something along those lines.

Same situation as 'Taker. They should've given that rub to a young up-and-comer to truly establish them. They gave it to Lesnar...okay, Brock then goes on to brutalize any other opponent he has, that's fine, it builds the rub. Don't give that to Orton and then have someone beat Orton. They already made the initial mistake of not having a young guy beat Undertaker, don't repeat the mistake.

Nobody deserve to beat taker to begin with. Including lesnar.

This is completely different anyway. Taker wasn't accused / proven of 2 drug violations.

Hell, they could potentially just start ****ing on brock and saying all his accomplishments in WWE the last 2 years were fake and put asteriks over it all.

 

[Acallabeth]

Oh man, clomiphene? Lesnar...

 

[Megahab]

No way should Orton beat Lesnar. That would be a waste. And Lesnar is more untouchable than Reigns is. Guys less valuable than Lesnar have come back from suspensions to win world titles.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

No way should Orton beat Lesnar. That would be a waste. And Lesnar is more untouchable than Reigns is. Guys less valuable than Lesnar have come back from suspensions to win world titles.

No one has come back from a drug suspension to win a world title right away much less 2 consecutive ones. You need to knock him down a peg and punish him. Anything short of a loss is not punishment.

 

[Morozov]

Lesnar is in pretty exclusive company where if he doesn't like what is going on he will gladly say **** this I'm out.

Nobody else is really on the level where he can have WWE bend to his wishes. Nobody else is really in the position where they mean more to WWE than WWE means to them. Brock is a special case, everyone knows it. Not really much point in trying to lower his value further.

People will say but you have to send a message to the rest of the roster too, but again Brock is an exception and he's big enough to be. He doesn't play by the same rules as the rest of the roster.

Most guys if you said you're sitting at home for 30 days, you're off TV etc that would be a punishment, Brock would be like that sounds lovely.

I wonder if this has any implications for the 2k17 cover. Too much work to change that? Would it be in the companies best interest?

Brock is still going to be one of if not the best product WWE has to sell to audiences, they aren't going to want to damage that much.

 

[offkilter]

Brock's looking a two year ban from MMA and likely 30 day ban from the WWE. He also likely has a non compete clause in his contract like eveybody else that prevents him from working for any other wrestling promotion. The WWE has him by the balls should he balk at any punishment and walk because his options at employment are limited. All that expensive farm equipment isn't going to pay for itself, and there's no guarantee now that he's going to see his UFC 200 money.

 

[Dr Pepper]

No Lesnar for 30 days?!

How will we manage?

 

[Morozov]

Brock's looking a two year ban from MMA and likely 30 day ban from the WWE. He also likely has a non compete clause in his contract like eveybody else that prevents him from working for any other wrestling promotion. The WWE has him by the balls should he balk at any punishment and walk because his options at employment are limited. All that expensive farm equipment isn't going to pay for itself, and there's no guarantee now that he's going to see his UFC 200 money.

By the balls? Brock could never work again a day in his life and be fine I am sure.

It's not like no compete clauses are some lifelong thing.

It's also not like wrestling and MMA are the guys only potential source for income. He is not a regular person, he can do things like just pump out another book if he got all that desperate. He could probably start landing cameos in movies if he wanted, there's plenty of ways that if he really needed more money he could get it. But I doubt he's motivated to do so unless there's big money on the table, because he doesn't need it.

Hell he could just run a farm.

If the guy has anyone with a clue around him he's probably creaming it on investments and interest as well.

WWE most definitely does not have Brock by the balls lol.

 

[offkilter]

By the balls? Brock could never work again a day in his life and be fine I am sure.

It's not like no compete clauses are some lifelong thing.

It's also not like wrestling and MMA are the guys only potential source for income. He is not a regular person, he can do things like just pump out another book if he got all that desperate. He could probably start landing cameos in movies if he wanted, there's plenty of ways that if he really needed more money he could get it. But I doubt he's motivated to do so unless there's big money on the table, because he doesn't need it.

Hell he could just run a farm.

If the guy has anyone with a clue around him he's probably creaming it on investments and interest as well.

WWE most definitely does not have Brock by the balls lol.

The point you're missing is despite Brock's dislike of crowds and people he is a competitor and a fighter. Sitting back on the farm or working an average joe job isn't going to satisfy him for very long. If it did he'd have long since retired from WWE and MMA since as you said money isn't an issue. In the end he's going to get that itch he needs to scratch and he'll come crawling back.

 

[Morozov]

The point you're missing is despite Brock's dislike of crowds and people he is a competitor and a fighter. Sitting back on the farm or working an average joe job isn't going to satisfy him for very long. If it did he'd have long since retired from WWE and MMA since as you said money isn't an issue. In the end he's going to get that itch he needs to scratch and he'll come crawling back.

Professional wrestling isn't competition.

Sitting back on that farm won't satisfy him for long? That's like the exact opposite of what we hear about him. But he gets millions of dollars waved in his face to coax him out of doing it.

I don't doubt he has a competitive side to him, but that doesn't mean WWE has him by the balls because they can't give him that.

The guy does so little in WWE, there's little indication that he does it out of enjoyment and want, otherwise we would see him more.

The WWE needs Brock more than Brock needs the WWE. For that reason they'll never have him by the balls, for that reason he gets to do WWE on his own terms while the rest fall in line, because he's the one guy who can say you need me more than I need you, this isn't my dream, I don't care about this ****, I just like millions of dollars.

I'm sure Brock would have no problem taking losses etc. The guy doesn't care about Wrestling, if his job is to go out and lose, he will go out and lose. But ultimately, trying to diminish Brock doesn't actually help the WWE at all because he's the star attraction and he isn't going to be strung up and ridiculed because he doesn't need to take it.

Other guys on the roster you want to send a message, you want them to learn this isn't OK and you don't want it happening again. And that works on others because they need the opportunities, they don't want pushes stopped, they don't want to be off TV missing a chance to showcase themselves. Brock doesn't care about that, Brock is above all of that.

 

[Acallabeth]

I'd put Lesnar in a gauntlet match on the 1st Raw back. Have him sports entertain for an hour, beat 3-4 lower card guys until he's tired and pinned by Kevin Owens. You force Bork to work a lot, still keep his monster image and put KO over at the same time

 

[Megahab]

No one has come back from a drug suspension to win a world title right away much less 2 consecutive ones. You need to knock him down a peg and punish him. Anything short of a loss is not punishment.

I am not saying put the world title on Lesnar. I am just saying he has to beat Orton. If the only benefit of Orton winning is to punish Lesnar, then that is not nearly a good enough reason to have Orton win.

If McMahon decides Orton is going to win because Lesnar deserves punishment, that is also McMahon punishing himself and his company.

Plus the match looks like it will have almost no build. It would be a terrible waste of the Lesnar rub.

 

[The Lunatic Fridge]

I am not saying put the world title on Lesnar. I am just saying he has to beat Orton. If the only benefit of Orton winning is to punish Lesnar, then that is not nearly a good enough reason to have Orton win.

If McMahon decides Orton is going to win because Lesnar deserves punishment, that is also McMahon punishing himself and his company.

Plus the match looks like it will have almost no build. It would be a terrible waste of the Lesnar rub.

Punishing himself and his company? So an alleged doper of steroids should come in and casually continue to destroy top level talent in their company? THAT isn't punishing their company?

I never said put the world title on lesnar. The point is no one got suspended and then came back on top of the world again. When orton himself got suspended and came back he was nowhere near the main event picture. He was doing singles matches with guys like ziggler and even had a match with heath slater.

 

[Morozov]

How does it punish the company to keep using him as is? Is it going to somehow hurt their credibility? I think the impact will be minimal at best really, many aren't surprised because of the fact he is a wrestler to begin with.

Those of us who are wrestling fans know we shouldn't be too surprised when a wrestler is done for such things either. Most of us grew up on a product with a big drug culture. Sure it may be changing, and that's good, but this isn't going to change perceptions much I don't think.

We all know it's fake, do we really care with regards to wrestling? I know I care with regards to MMA but that's a competition and he's cheating. But when it comes to Brock wrestling I'm not going to sit there like omg drug cheat! I'm just going to be like yeah Brock smash these fools just like I always am. We suspend disbelief to watch to begin with.

In the Wrestling world, this will all blow over soon enough. If I was WWE I'd slap him on the wrist so we can say we did something then keep milking the Brock cow all I can. It's what is best for business, and it's what fans will want too. People don't want to watch Brock vs Heath Slater beyond watching Brock absolutely decimate him.

Brock is a product, he's the best product they have. No point in trying to damage it to make it harder to sell. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Yes, other guys have been punished, other guys aren't Brock. Randy isn't Brock and there's no real punishment for the guy anyway. He doesn't care if he sits at home and he isn't some big mark for himself.

 

[Megahab]

Punishing himself and his company? So an alleged doper of steroids should come in and casually continue to destroy top level talent in their company? THAT isn't punishing their company?
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Two potential scenarios:

A) Orton beats Lesnar. The WWE's biggest draw loses. He loses to Orton of all people and thus loses his aura of invincibility, which is a big reason for his drawing power in the first place. The Lesnar rub is wasted after more than 2 years of build. No new star is createdd. All just to punish the guy for a failed drug test. And he loses to a guy who failed at least one drug test in the past.

B) Lesnar beats Orton after a 30 day suspension.

Can you explain how B is worse than A for WWE?

I bet even if you asked other WWE wrestlers, they would still want Lesnar to win.

 

[Emperoreddy]

The fact that Mr. Wellness Policy Randy Orton suddenly has to beat Brock is kind of ironic.

Preferential treatment is normal with this company, and I don't think much is going to change here.

 

[M.C.G. 31]

John Cena on Brock Lesnar's violation

“Well, there was certainly a lot of hype. I was actually on SportsCenter hyping that fight myself. My thoughts were in Brock Lesnar’s corner, as he was put as the underdog in that fight, and he ended up doing well. Anytime something like that comes out, it certainly affects your perception of the event. There’s no way that people aren’t going to perceive Brock Lesnar differently, and when something like this happens, you set yourself a long, hard road ahead of you, and Brock’s got a long, hard road ahead of him.”

 

[Sheppy]

Again. It should be Bray who beats Lesnar.