GDT: UFA Frenzy 2024 - We're ALL Gonna Die

[mikeyfan]

I know his age (will be 40 on July 11) is a question but should the Canes take a good look at Joe Pavelski? But he did have 67 points last year and his PP numbers were pretty good. 11 Goals, 10 Assists. And he still averaged around 16:50 ice time.

A one year contract around 2.5 to 3 may bring him to the Canes

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

I know his age (will be 40 on July 11) is a question but should the Canes take a good look at Joe Pavelski? But he did have 67 points last year and his PP numbers were pretty good. 11 Goals, 10 Assists. And he still averaged around 16:50 ice time.

A one year contract around 2.5 to 3 may bring him to the Canes

He retired.

 

[Negan4Coach]

I know it's a joke, but interestingly enough a family friend took his grandkids fishing at our pond at the farm this morning and as we sat on the bench, he told us stories of his time in Nam. They just had the last reunion of their division, only 12 guys left he said. Most of them died of cancer as they were sprayed with Agent Orange. He talked about having to turn "normal" guys into killers and how badly they were treated when they came back. After Nam, he went to college and was prohibited from living in the dorm and one professor called him a "baby killer" and was going to fail him regardless until he got a lawyer involved. Needless to say after hearing his stories, few of us would have lasted in Nam.

I was told that the stories of Vietnam vets being spit on were urban lore like the "Satanic Panic" of the 1980s...

Then again- I've been gaslit a whole lot the past 4 years- especially over the last 7 days..

Anyway- here is what I say to the Canes Pollyanna crowd today:

 

[Slapshottothehead]

I dont see the canes doing much more. They will go through training camp and see which prospects are close or able to make the team. Theirs always decent players getting cut and put on waivers, plus some teams will need to move guys to get under the cap. Morrow should be close. I think next summer is when the canes dip into free agency to fill needs.

 

[tarheelhockey]

What do you mean time will tell on this? SVech despite injuries continues to get better,

Is he really getting that much better? I have spent a lot of time defending him, expecting that any minute how he’d become that high-level threat he was drafted to be, but he’s still basically that same ~25 goal guy he has always been. It’s not a lack of talent or effort. It might be the injuries, I don’t know. But again going back to Nino, that’s about the caliber of impact player Svech has been for us despite looking a lot sexier in how he does it. At 24, he’s due for a little more improvement but it needs to come on pretty soon because he’s not a fresh faced kid in this league.

Aho !nd Jarvis improve their numbers every year

Yep, they’ve both improved a lot.

Orlov improved greatly towards the end of the year.

He has also spent a lot of time here looking pretty ordinary. Is he better than a prime Justin Faulk?

Theres also Kuzy who came in from a trade out of shape, he had mentioned before wanting to play for Rod so I would say chances are he will come in much better shape than after the trade.

I’m gonna need to see a whole lot more from Kuzy before I feel good relying on him for a lead role in this lineup. Maybe he blows everyone away in the upcoming year, that is possible. But relying on that to happen, because we don’t have another option for our top 6?

I would say you are really reaching thinking are top players take a step back.

Some of them are just due for it. Burns turns 40 this year and at the least, isn’t getting better. Slavin has a looottt of miles on him and is not supported like he used to be — love the guy but it’s a huge ask for him to maintain the level he was at in his 20s. Staal is looking close to retirement. Those three guys all play essential roles.

Then there’s Necas who could go either way depending how the wind is blowing. Svech who as noted above is kind of stagnating and spends a lot of time injured.

Of course all of these won’t turn out negative. Most likely they split down the middle, some positive some negative. But again, as I keep saying, this roster is not built to withstand 2-3 of these guys falling off. We don’t have Teravainen and Skjei and Pesce waiting to fill the breach if someone takes a month off.

 

[Derailed75]

Is he really getting that much better? I have spent a lot of time defending him, expecting that any minute how he’d become that high-level threat he was drafted to be, but he’s still basically that same ~25 goal guy he has always been. It’s not a lack of talent or effort. It might be the injuries, I don’t know. But again going back to Nino, that’s about the caliber of impact player Svech has been for us despite looking a lot sexier in how he does it. At 24, he’s due for a little more improvement but it needs to come on pretty soon because he’s not a fresh faced kid in this league.



Yep, they’ve both improved a lot.




He has also spent a lot of time here looking pretty ordinary. Is he better than a prime Justin Faulk?



I’m gonna need to see a whole lot more from Kuzy before I feel good relying on him for a lead role in this lineup. Maybe he blows everyone away in the upcoming year, that is possible. But relying on that to happen, because we don’t have another option for our top 6?



Some of them are just due for it. Burns turns 40 this year and at the least, isn’t getting better. Slavin has a looottt of miles on him and is not supported like he used to be — love the guy but it’s a huge ask for him to maintain the level he was at in his 20s. Staal is looking close to retirement. Those three guys all play essential roles.

Then there’s Necas who could go either way depending how the wind is blowing. Svech who as noted above is kind of stagnating and spends a lot of time injured.

Of course all of these won’t turn out negative. Most likely they split down the middle, some positive some negative. But again, as I keep saying, this roster is not built to withstand 2-3 of these guys falling off. We don’t have Teravainen and Skjei and Pesce waiting to fill the breach if someone takes a month off.

And as I said banking on 2 or 3 guys falling off sure is a forced negative and seems unlikely to happen. You are not the only one but you sure seem to be hanging on to what might happen in the worst case scenario.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

I think this current forward core is a bit better than 18/19.

Aho, Teravainen (76 points that year), 18 year old Svechnikov, Ferland, Niederetter, 37 year old Williams, if you account that Niedereiter took Ferlands spot that's another PPG player, but you're still lacking a top 6 guy as you get into Staal/Wallmark/McGinn/Foegele bottom 6ers

vs

Aho, prime Svechnikov, Jarvis, Necas, Kuznetsov/Kotkaniemi, FUS/Nadeau. I'd think that's slightly better.

The real drop off is in defense, 18/19 was carried by a stacked defense, what we have now is easily the weakest dcore in Brind'amour era, and that's before accounting that we're being generous that a 39 year old (40 in 2025 playoffs) Burns doesn't take a step back.

This starts to look bad if we trade Necas for futures, I hope they can salvage the relationship with him and get him signed long term.

 

[Stickpucker]

he was very positive, almost giddy.

to be transparent, he's a fan of a different Metro team.

You invited a Devils fan to fish in your pond?

At least tell us it's radioactive.

 

[Negan4Coach]

Is he really getting that much better? I have spent a lot of time defending him, expecting that any minute how he’d become that high-level threat he was drafted to be, but he’s still basically that same ~25 goal guy he has always been. It’s not a lack of talent or effort. It might be the injuries, I don’t know. But again going back to Nino, that’s about the caliber of impact player Svech has been for us despite looking a lot sexier in how he does it. At 24, he’s due for a little more improvement but it needs to come on pretty soon because he’s not a fresh faced kid in this league.



Yep, they’ve both improved a lot.




He has also spent a lot of time here looking pretty ordinary. Is he better than a prime Justin Faulk?



I’m gonna need to see a whole lot more from Kuzy before I feel good relying on him for a lead role in this lineup. Maybe he blows everyone away in the upcoming year, that is possible. But relying on that to happen, because we don’t have another option for our top 6?



Some of them are just due for it. Burns turns 40 this year and at the least, isn’t getting better. Slavin has a looottt of miles on him and is not supported like he used to be — love the guy but it’s a huge ask for him to maintain the level he was at in his 20s. Staal is looking close to retirement. Those three guys all play essential roles.

Then there’s Necas who could go either way depending how the wind is blowing. Svech who as noted above is kind of stagnating and spends a lot of time injured.

Of course all of these won’t turn out negative. Most likely they split down the middle, some positive some negative. But again, as I keep saying, this roster is not built to withstand 2-3 of these guys falling off. We don’t have Teravainen and Skjei and Pesce waiting to fill the breach if someone takes a month off.

Apropos of nothing- how do you feel about Kuznetzov's defensive contributions compared to say...Jeff Skinner?

 

[Stickpucker]

i'm bored do something

 

[3CanesInTheBox]

I think this current forward core is a bit better than 18/19.

Aho, Teravainen (76 points that year), 18 year old Svechnikov, Ferland, Niederetter, 37 year old Williams, if you account that Niedereiter took Ferlands spot that's another PPG player, but you're still lacking a top 6 guy as you get into Staal/Wallmark/McGinn/Foegele bottom 6ers

vs

Aho, prime Svechnikov, Jarvis, Necas, Kuznetsov/Kotkaniemi, FUS/Nadeau. I'd think that's slightly better.

The real drop off is in defense, 18/19 was carried by a stacked defense, what we have now is easily the weakest dcore in Brind'amour era, and that's before accounting that we're being generous that a 39 year old (40 in 2025 playoffs) Burns doesn't take a step back.

This starts to look bad if we trade Necas for futures, I hope they can salvage the relationship with him and get him signed long term.

Future is bright and fun. Obviously we may need to take a few steps back to take another leap forward--but a few steps back for this core is better than a lot of teams could hope for. Excited to to see the core come into their primes and see which young guns are the real deal.

Really excited for next year.

 

[MyLuckyPuck]

Necas for Kaliyev + ?

 

[Unsustainable]

Got a feeling for the defense:

Slavin - Ghost
Orlov - Walker
Chatty - Burns

Pp1: Ghost
Pp2: Orlov

PK1: Slavin - Burns
PK2: Walker - Chatfield

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Necas for Kaliyev + ?

It would have to be 2 good pluses

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Necas for Kaliyev + ?

Canes can likely get Kaliyev for another prospect or a pick. If I was going to trade Necas to the Kings, I'd be asking for Kempe, at least.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Kings don’t have the pieces they will trade to get necas at this point

 

[MyLuckyPuck]

Thanks for the feedback. I just read he was disgruntled too. I thought maybe they could package something and yea Kempe would be awesome.

 

[Buenos Necas]

Stray thought, but one name that was rumored to move and hasn't yet is Joel Farabee. He's been in Tort's doghouse but he's a solid player with 4 years at 5m left. Could fill a role as a solid 2nd line target who would benefit from a change of scenery and could likely be had for futures.

With Necas I think the best course of action is to mend the relationship and sign a 1-year deal. Give him the opportunity to get off to a hot start this year, let his market reset itself and see if one of those Byram for Mittelstadt type hockey trades can shake loose. On a 1-year deal the acquiring team could also extend him after Jan 1 so he should have all the motivation he needs. And obviously we can't really afford to loose anymore top-6 talent at the moment.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Apropos of nothing- how do you feel about Kuznetzov's defensive contributions compared to say...Jeff Skinner?

No doubt he’s a better defensive player.

I’ve been saying for a lot of years on here — the only time a winger’s own-zone defense really moves the needle is a Jarvis situation where he’s an important part of the PK. Otherwise, it’s an extremely marginal factor in winning hockey games. This is even more the case in modern defensive systems where a lot of the shot blocking comes from multi-layered defense where the winger is just a traffic cone forcing the opponent to shoot into a defenseman’s shin pads.

What you need defensively from a winger is offensive zone pressure, turnovers on the forecheck. Skinner was and is a puck hound, if a little sloppy with his stick (like Svech). And the chaos he created led to goals, a lot of goals.

Defense really does matter at the C position. I’d be quite happy with Kuzy in a bottom 6 role where he could contribute defensively and we could gamble on him finding his offensive upside. Basically the Jordan Staal, Jesperi Kotkaniemi model. But as currently constructed, we can’t do that… one of those three guys has to go into the top 6. That’s my issue with Kuzy, he’s way overslotted and now we aren’t just gambling on his offensive upside, we’re depending on it.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

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Righty

 

[Led Tasso]

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[A Star is Burns]

I think the d core has a chance to be pretty good. Nothing can compare to last year from top to bottom, but we've run out some pretty average to meh dmen during the Brind'Amour era. It's actually interesting to look back at all the defensive groups we have used. Obviously, most of these years will have a better high end than this year, but we should still be pretty good from top to bottom this season. Don't forget the guys like Fleury, Gardiner, Bean, Bear, Smith, and Coghlan that got a decent number of games across years. Even guys like TVR, de Haan, Edmundson, Hakanpaa, and Cole were more in the solid but not spectacular category.

2018-2019 82 total games
Jaccob Slavin (82)
Dougie Hamilton (82)
Brett Pesce (73)
Justin Faulk (82)
Calvin de Haan (74)
Trevor van Riemsdyk (78)
Haydn Fleury (20)

2019-2020 68 total games
Joel Edmundson (68)
Haydn Fleury (45)
Jake Gardiner (68)
Dougie Hamilton (47)
Brett Pesce (61)
Brady Skjei (7 games)
Jaccob Slavin (68)
Trevor van Riemsdyk (49)
Sami Vatanen (Bubble Only)

2020-2021 56 games
Jake Bean (42)
Haydn Fleury (35)
Jake Gardiner (26)
Jani Hakanpaa (15)
Dougie Hamilton (55)
Brett Pesce (55)
Brady Skjei (52)
Jaccob Slavin (52)

2021-2022 82 games
Ethan Bear (58)
Jalen Chatfield (16)
Ian Cole (75)
Tony DeAngelo (64)
Brett Pesce (70)
Brady Skjei (82)
Jaccob Slavin (79)
Brendan Smith (45)

2022-2023 82 games
Brent Burns (82)
Jalen Chatfield (78)
Dylan Coghlan (17)
Calvin de Haan (53)
Shayne Gostisehere (23)
Brett Pesce (82)
Brady Skjei (81)
Jaccob Slavin (76)

 

[spockBokk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808672933713150154

Righty

I don’t mind Roslovic. He seems to have found his niche as a 40pt guy, when healthy. Price will be key here. They ain’t got much space

 

[A Star is Burns]

We'll see the price on Roslovic. He certainly has some offensive skill and some inconsistency to his game. I actually thought he was a really good complementary offensive player with the Rangers this year after they acquired him, so hopefully he can find a role like that. It'll be interesting to see if they do give him some run at the second line center position, say with Svech and Necas insulating him like they tried with Koko at times, and how he takes to it if they do.

 

[MyLuckyPuck]

I don’t mind Roslovic. He seems to have found his niche as a 40pt guy, when healthy. Price will be key here. They ain’t got much space

Like the signing but still not really a second liner.