- Jul 7, 2017
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GDT: UFA Frenzy 2024 - We're ALL Gonna Die
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robbieberns
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I just left the triangle for Asheville as of a few months ago but I know it’s too damn hard for y’all to be stressing so hard down there lol.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Jost is likely Chicago-bound and Lemieux will be our 13th forward, but otherwise correct. Necas will likely be dealt in a hockey trade for someone. Skepical about KK being moved because of his age but I could see Kuznetsov being moved as a salary piece in a bigger trade.
Finlandia WOAT
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They currently have about 13 mil to work with, however they still need to re-sign Jarvis, Drury and Necas. Which eats the entirety of that 13.
That kinda scuttles getting help by taking advantage of a cap strapped team, unless they move Necas entirely for futures. Which would be a lateral move.
If they don't want the offense to take a hit, they need a prospect to come in and replace Teravainen's middling production. If they don't want the defense to take a hit they need to hope that Orlov/Chatfield can cover Skjei/Pesce AND Burns doesn't regress. Logic indicates we're taking a hit, hopefully one we can absorb.
That kinda scuttles getting help by taking advantage of a cap strapped team, unless they move Necas entirely for futures. Which would be a lateral move.
If they don't want the offense to take a hit, they need a prospect to come in and replace Teravainen's middling production. If they don't want the defense to take a hit they need to hope that Orlov/Chatfield can cover Skjei/Pesce AND Burns doesn't regress. Logic indicates we're taking a hit, hopefully one we can absorb.
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Brock Anton
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Just responding because Lemieux on the second line is f***ing amazing.
Discipline Daddy
Brentcent Van Burns
The Sean Walker deal is really, really good. This wasn't a disaster after we inked both Ghost and Walker to round out the D. And the term on both those deals is actually really nice, expiring when both players are 34/35.
The stinger is losing Guentzel. But it's looking more and more like that was never actually in the cards this year. He just didn't want to live/play in Raleigh long term. It's frustrating, but I'm not going to be mad at the player. All the agent "negotiating" on public media is probably just trying to max funds for his man, which is his onus and right to do. We move on.
What this does give the Canes, once again, is flexibility, both right now and long term. I'm assuming we sign Jarvis long term at around $7M. We can sign him for 6-8 years, probably, around that cap hit. We then have $8M in space to get Necas signed and make a depth add, or to trade Necas and add a Laine-esque cap hit. We get more if we move KK.
It's clear Tulsky is favoring cap flexibility. Now that the big spenders have spent, teams are normalizing to having very little capspace, especially when factoring in teams' RFAs. Having cap space is a good commodity on the first day of free agency, as you're able to sign guys. Having flexibility later in the offseason and midseason is very rare. Seems like we're prioritizing that. I bet Tulsky has some contingencies for trade he is entertaining, but perhaps also he's just banking on the fact that good deals will inevitably be there for the patient GM.
Also, the fact that there was no smoke around a Jarvis offer sheet is very pleasant news.
The stinger is losing Guentzel. But it's looking more and more like that was never actually in the cards this year. He just didn't want to live/play in Raleigh long term. It's frustrating, but I'm not going to be mad at the player. All the agent "negotiating" on public media is probably just trying to max funds for his man, which is his onus and right to do. We move on.
What this does give the Canes, once again, is flexibility, both right now and long term. I'm assuming we sign Jarvis long term at around $7M. We can sign him for 6-8 years, probably, around that cap hit. We then have $8M in space to get Necas signed and make a depth add, or to trade Necas and add a Laine-esque cap hit. We get more if we move KK.
It's clear Tulsky is favoring cap flexibility. Now that the big spenders have spent, teams are normalizing to having very little capspace, especially when factoring in teams' RFAs. Having cap space is a good commodity on the first day of free agency, as you're able to sign guys. Having flexibility later in the offseason and midseason is very rare. Seems like we're prioritizing that. I bet Tulsky has some contingencies for trade he is entertaining, but perhaps also he's just banking on the fact that good deals will inevitably be there for the patient GM.
Also, the fact that there was no smoke around a Jarvis offer sheet is very pleasant news.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Necas being traded, at this point, makes more sense in a player-for-player swap.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Something else to note, Fast hasn't been updated on his ability to come back yet. so there is another spot and 2.4m we have.
True but he is a good guy and I hope his health recovers.
Discipline Daddy
Brentcent Van Burns
It's still my dream to deal Necas to Utah for Dylan Guenther. I think that'd be lopsided in our favor, but the fact that Utah went pedal-to-the-floor to trade for Sergachev makes me think they'd trade a little future for now.
robbieberns
Registered User
hahahaha maybe that was done intentionally to drive home the point that obviously this isn’t the final roster and because I found it just as funny as you
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Shane Wright, upside 2c right handed.
KK / Laine type of deal
Laine - Aho - Jarvis
Svech - Wright - Kuznetzov
Carrier - Drury - Lemuix
Marty - Staal - Robinson
But something we have to consider, missing him and Pesce in the playoffs was the difference for sure.
Boom Boom Apathy
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Maybe. Our goaltending was awful to start the year as well.
Also, from the start of the season last year to the trade deadline (when we were a top 5 team in the NHL at the time), our roster upfront was:
Aho, Svech, Jarvis, Necas, KK, TT, Bunting, Martinook, Staal, Fast, Drury, Noesen
Our roster upfront today if Necas is kept:
Aho, Svech, Jarvis, Necas, KK, Kuznetsov, Carrier, Martinook, Staal, Fast, Drury, Robinson
Changes in bold. TT, Bunting, Noesen out; Kuznetsov, Carrier, Robinson in.
We needed a top 6 upgrade last year (thus the Guentzel rental) and still do now, so hopefully a trade can accomplish that because a couple of moves/trades could change this dramatically.
KK is just the odd man out IMO. Doesn't work at wing, hasn't shown enough to be a 2C. Kuznetsov is the wildcard. He was out of shape coming in last year, but if he gets in shape and there's anything left in the tank, that could be huge. If he's done, then we need two top 6 guys.
Too many ifs right now though so have to wait and see what happens.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Cap friendly has a ton of extra salaries on our list. We have about 15-16 million in space
PK will be in flux early in the season too losing mainliners Skjei , Pesce AND TT.
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Nothing much to it. Trouba had a NMC (Now a NTC as of today). The Rangers tried to trade him to Detroit, he refused to waive because his wife has a medical residency in NY, and now they're talking about possibly putting him on waivers.
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
Shane Wright is likely not available, but if the Canes happen to get any top-6 potential guy on an ELC for Necas, that would be enough to free up a trade for a pure cap dump.
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The case seems to be that NYR is shipping Trouba put and he either accepts the trade to Detroit or gets put on waivers where someone will pick him from.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
TheReelChuckFletcher
Former TheRillestPaulFenton; Harverd Alum
After the nonsense that the players went through during COVID, they fully deserve this windfall. Good for them. I still think a lot of teams are going to regret some of the cash that was handed out; especially with size and grit being so en vogue, a lot of tough but otherwise not-super-effective players got paid up the wazoo.
looks like I'm in the same thought process as others already posted just a bit before me.....
Two estimates on salary for Necas and Drury based on us signing Drury and what I think Necas would get in arbitration award if we force the issue and dont trade him first.
that's 14 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies.. Someone on the forwards comes off and goes on waivers and spends time in the minors to get us under the cap... likely one of the newbies as opposed to anyone from last year forward group.... that gets us below the cap once a league min like forward contract comes off the cap.... but we will have injuries (almost certainly in goal for sure given the last few years)... so with injury call-ups counting for x days, we will be tight if this is how the roster stays.... which I highly doubt Necas is on opening night roster... think we are set on d and in goal.... maybe we rotate the 7th dman depending on the injury to give a kid a chance in call up from Chicago... It's the forwards that will be adjusted before opening night as everyone likely agrees....
Two estimates on salary for Necas and Drury based on us signing Drury and what I think Necas would get in arbitration award if we force the issue and dont trade him first.
| FORWARDS | 2024-25 |
| Aho, Sebastian | $9,750,000.00 |
| Jarvis, Seth | $7,775,000.00 |
| Svechnikov, Andrei | $7,750,000.00 |
| Necas, Martin *** ESTIMATED *** | $6,000,000.00 |
| Kotkaniemi, Jesperi | $4,820,000.00 |
| Kuznetsov, Evegeny | $3,900,000.00 |
| Martinook, Jordan "A" | $3,050,000.00 |
| Staal, Jordan "C" | $2,900,000.00 |
| Fast, Jesper | $2,400,000.00 |
| Carrier, William | $2,000,000.00 |
| Drury, Jack - *** ESTIMATED *** | $1,500,000.00 |
| Robinson, Eric | $950,000.00 |
| Jost, Tyson | $775,000.00 |
| Lemieux, Brendan | $775,000.00 |
| Total | $54,345,000.00 |
| DEFENSE | 2024-25 |
| Orlov, Dmitri | $7,750,000.00 |
| Slavin, Jaccob "A" | $5,300,000.00 |
| Burns, Brent | $5,280,000.00 |
| Walker, Sean | $3,600,000.00 |
| Gostisbehere, Shayne | $3,200,000.00 |
| Chatfield, Jalen | $3,000,000.00 |
| #7 dman - Smith or league min equiv. | $775,000.00 |
| Total | $28,905,000.00 |
| GOALIES | 2024-25 |
| Andersen, Frederik | $3,400,000.00 |
| Kochetkov, Pyotr ** | $2,000,000.00 |
| Total | $5,400,000.00 |
| Grand Total Salary Cap for all Players | $88,650,000.00 |
| Salary Cap for 2024 - 2025 Season | $88,000,000.00 |
| Current Salary Cap Space | ($650,000.00) |
| Svech | Aho | Jarvis |
| Drury | Kuznetsov | Necas |
| Martinook | Staal | Fast |
| Robinson | KK | Carrier |
| Lemieux | Jost | |
| Slavin | Burns | |
| Orlov | Walker | |
| Ghost | Chatty | |
| Kochtekov | Andersen |
that's 14 forwards, 7 dmen and 2 goalies.. Someone on the forwards comes off and goes on waivers and spends time in the minors to get us under the cap... likely one of the newbies as opposed to anyone from last year forward group.... that gets us below the cap once a league min like forward contract comes off the cap.... but we will have injuries (almost certainly in goal for sure given the last few years)... so with injury call-ups counting for x days, we will be tight if this is how the roster stays.... which I highly doubt Necas is on opening night roster... think we are set on d and in goal.... maybe we rotate the 7th dman depending on the injury to give a kid a chance in call up from Chicago... It's the forwards that will be adjusted before opening night as everyone likely agrees....
He can always go to Buffalo. They also like to serve chicken wings to peoples' faces.
Dundon let Tulsky play it out. no contracts that extend into players' late 30's. Guentzel was such a no brainer to me because they were moving on from Skjei. team f***ed around with Guentzel and he . I dont care what internet posters said. canes low balled him and only met his orginal teams too late. i kept saying guentzel is getting $9M AAV. Egghead Tulsky has data to prove these contracts are not worth it. Dundon agreed. on ice talent has declined a lot but we'll see how fans react this year if team slides a bit.
I think the unconventional strategy with respect to player and staff compensation will be tested at some point. great results thus far but some of the foundation was built by Francis. Waddell and now Tulsky continue to benefit from that. this may be the year where we respectfully say the talent level dropped as did the team's record. we'll see.
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So I’ve not paid much attention to today (Can only doomscroll through one disaster at a time and the downfall of democracy seemed more important than the downfall of the hockey team), but it looks like we did a pretty good job of rebuilding our defense.
Not finding anyone to replace TT or Guenztal is…a choice…but it’s still early. Something should shake loose, right?
Not finding anyone to replace TT or Guenztal is…a choice…but it’s still early. Something should shake loose, right?
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