Value of: Tyson Barrie

[Foppberg]

Stepan for Barrie. I'd do that.
Couturier for Barrie Philly fans?

I'd love it.. But I highly doubt Philly would.

 

[Ivan13]

Flyers don't need another offensively minded defenseman, they need a defense first D with Ghost, Provorov and Sanheim in the system already.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

For Oilers wanting Barrie, what about Ellis, Jarnkrok, and 1st for RNH and Benning?

I think I'd do that deal. Both Ellis and Jarnkrok have great contracts and both have room to grow.

Ellis might not put up 50pts a year but he's hovered around 30pts the last 3 seasons and playing with McDavid I believe he could close in on 40. Plus he's a much more well rounded player then Barrie, not to mention half the cost cap wise.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

It's not that he played bad, he is just a poor fit on the current Avs roster.

Barrie needs to be on a team where there are 3 solid defenders in front of him so Barrie can be just a pure offensive guy.

On the Avs he is asked to be an all-around guy because our defenders suck, and he just isn't an all-around guy. He is a pure offensive guy. So his defensive game gets exposed.

He is a luxury type player, but on team riddled with holes, those kind of players need to be traded for players with more rounded games so the holes become smaller.

If we trade Barrie now, what happens in 2-3 years if Bigras and Zadorov work out as hoped? Do we trade a forward for someone like Barrie?

 

[chet1926]

If we trade Barrie now, what happens in 2-3 years if Bigras and Zadorov work out as hoped? Do we trade a forward for someone like Barrie?

And you just summed up what's wrong with the Avs and their mentality. It's always banking on something happening in the future.

You can't play for 3 years down the road. Eventually you have to field a competitive team, and to do that you might have to make some tough decisions on players that are considered a luxury.

Tyson Barrie is a luxury player designed for teams that are ready to compete now. We're not that team.

 

[Avs44]

And you just summed up what's wrong with the Avs and their mentality. It's always banking on something happening in the future.

You can't play for 3 years down the road. Eventually you have to field a competitive team, and to do that you might have to make some tough decisions on players that are considered a luxury.

Tyson Barrie is a luxury player designed for teams that are ready to compete now. We're not that team.

Uh....that's exactly what you are advocating. The Avs defense is highly mediocre as is, and without Barrie (who is a good player, sorry. Bad defensmen don't get back to back 50 point seasons, and aren't just luxuries) it becomes even worse. Instead, you are the one banking on the future (Zadorov, Bigras) turning out and becoming good players so that the defense isn't a complete disaster without Barrie. In the present, Barrie's minutes would be eaten up by Beauchemin or Tyutin or Weircioch or Gelinas, or all four of them collectively. What could go wrong in the present with that plan

 

[chet1926]

Uh....that's exactly what you are advocating. The Avs defense is highly mediocre as is, and without Barrie (who is a good player, sorry. Bad defensmen don't get back to back 50 point seasons, and aren't just luxuries) it becomes even worse. Instead, you are the one banking on the future (Zadorov, Bigras) turning out and becoming good players so that the defense isn't a complete disaster without Barrie. In the present, Barrie's minutes would be eaten up by Beauchemin or Tyutin or Weircioch or Gelinas, or all four of them collectively. What could go wrong in the present with that plan

I'm not advocating that. I want a 1 for 1 type trade. Not some BS prospects and futures crap.

Barrie is a terrible dman, when it comes to defense. He is good at creating offense. We need guys that aren't turnover machines and can execute a proper breakout.

 

[Avs44]

I'm not advocating that. I want a 1 for 1 type trade. Not some BS prospects and futures crap.

Barrie is a terrible dman, when it comes to defense. He is good at creating offense. We need guys that aren't turnover machines and can execute a proper breakout.

You advocated trading him 1 for 1 for a winger or defensman. Nobody is giving an equivalent 1 for 1 defensman for Barrie, which means it would be for a forward, which means an even worse defense, which cripples any hope of fielding a "competitive team" now, as you want, but rather just places all of the hope for this defence on the prospects in the organization. Logically, that is precisely what you are advocating, unless you have a realistic suggestion for a 1 for 1 swap for a good young defensman who is just as good as Barrie?

 

[chet1926]

You advocated trading him 1 for 1 for a winger or defensman. Nobody is giving an equivalent 1 for 1 defensman for Barrie, which means it would be for a forward, which means an even worse defense, which cripples any hope of fielding a "competitive team" now, as you want, but rather just places all of the hope for this defence on the prospects in the organization. Logically, that is precisely what you are advocating, unless you have a realistic suggestion for a 1 for 1 swap for a good young defensman who is just as good as Barrie?

Trading Barrie might not be the only core level trade we need to make to become more competitive.

We might have to part ways with guys like Duchene, Varly, even Landeskog as well to field a more well rounded competitive team.

It's not a one move fix, there are tons of issues with the Avs and their core players.

 

[zar]

For those Oiler fans who do not like the RNH/Barrie swap, why not? RNH has not been lights out this year either. Both RNH and Barrie are on a 39 point pace. Yes, I know RNH has been very good defensively and those 39 points have come with limited role but I think everyone expected more offence from him.

In the summer, I recall reading more than one thread about the Oilers need for a RH PMD. I do recalll reading a few threads about a Barrie/RNH swap, where many Oiler fans supported the move. 19 games later and your minds are changed? Barrie would have much more support around him playing on the Oilers than in Colorado (can't believe I am actually saying that), with Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera Etc.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera/Russell-Barrie
Sekera/Russell-Benning/Nurse/Davidson

That would be the deepest Oilers blueline in a long time and one of the better D units in the league. Not top heavy but spread out through 3 pairings.

Expansion draft (8+1) -
NMC (2+1): Lucic, Sekera + Talbot
Other (6): Larsson, Klefbom, Barrie, Davidson, Draisaitl, Eberle,

Exposed:
Fayne, Pouliot, Maroon, Kassian, Reinhart, Letestu, Pitlick

I'm comfortable with that.

 

[ConnorMcNugesaitl]

For those Oiler fans who do not like the RNH/Barrie swap, why not? RNH has not been lights out this year either. Both RNH and Barrie are on a 39 point pace. Yes, I know RNH has been very good defensively and those 39 points have come with limited role but I think everyone expected more offence from him.

In the summer, I recall reading more than one thread about the Oilers need for a RH PMD. I do recalll reading a few threads about a Barrie/RNH swap, where many Oiler fans supported the move. 19 games later and your minds are changed? Barrie would have much more support around him playing on the Oilers than in Colorado (can't believe I am actually saying that), with Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera Etc.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera/Russell-Barrie
Sekera/Russell-Benning/Nurse/Davidson

That would be the deepest Oilers blueline in a long time and one of the better D units in the league. Not top heavy but spread out through 3 pairings.

Expansion draft (8+1) -
NMC (2+1): Lucic, Sekera + Talbot
Other (6): Larsson, Klefbom, Barrie, Davidson, Draisaitl, Eberle,

Exposed:
Fayne, Pouliot, Maroon, Kassian, Reinhart, Letestu, Pitlick

I'm comfortable with that.

Some Oilers fans are like you and think RNH is very much expendable.

I'm in the category that disagrees with that assessment. He's improved a lot already defensively this year and although he's had a slow start to the year offensively I expect he'll wind up near his typical 55ish points by the end of the year that he generally hits.

At 23 he still has room to grow and has been hugely important to the team 5 on 5, on the pk and the pp as well.

Who replaces him? Draisaitl has been uneven in his play this year and last and Cagguila isin't at all proven.

You take away Nuge and add Barrie and I think the team is worse. The defense is deeper with that trade but you rip a huge hole out of the forward group.

I don't think the upgrade from Benning to Barrie is worth the the downgrade to the team overall.

If you can get Barrie for picks or prospects that's something to consider but you don't rip a core piece out of a team that's performing well to do it.

 

[zar]

Some Oilers fans are like you and think RNH is very much expendable.

I'm in the category that disagrees with that assessment. He's improved a lot already defensively this year and although he's had a slow start to the year offensively I expect he'll wind up near his typical 55ish points by the end of the year that he generally hits.

At 23 he still has room to grow and has been hugely important to the team 5 on 5, on the pk and the pp as well.

Who replaces him? Draisaitl has been uneven in his play this year and last and Cagguila isin't at all proven.

You take away Nuge and add Barrie and I think the team is worse. The defense is deeper with that trade but you rip a huge hole out of the forward group.

I don't think the upgrade from Benning to Barrie is worth the the downgrade to the team overall.

If you can get Barrie for picks or prospects that's something to consider but you don't rip a core piece out of a team that's performing well to do it.

I do not think RNH is "very much expendable". I only trade him in one circumstance a RH PMD, nothing else.

Think about this, it's only a matter of when, not if, we trade RNH. You are right in that RNH is a safer option to play 2C today than Leon. We are not paying him $6m per to play 3C, which will be next year. Sometimes you have to make the move when the option presents itself... it may not be there next year. If LD signs for $5.5 AAV this off-season and then Connor for $10m the next... that's $21m + Caggiula down the middle... yeah, not happening.

In my world Chiarelli has to be thinking 2-3 years ahead with every move he makes. It's all about timing. If you can guarantee me a RH PMD of Barrie's calibre will be available to us next year at this time, then I agree we should wait... well available on HF Boards anyway.

 

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Barrie for Eberle

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Rather have RNH. Gives us breathing room to move Duchene for a D that's worth a damn.

I'd do

RNH + Eberle + Jones (good d prospect)

For

Duchene + Barrie

This deal would completely move Edmonton away from what was supposed to be the future core if Hall, RNH, Eberle, Yakupov and Schultz.

Duchene can play C behind McDavid or RW with him, whereas RNH is a more complete player in my opinion but it primarily a center.

Colorado walks away with a better top 6 and a more ideal #2 center behind MacKinnon. I add a good prospect on Edmonton's part to seal a deal/even off player evaluations.

 

[Avs44]

I'd do

RNH + Eberle + Jones (good d prospect)

For

Duchene + Barrie

Barrie = RNH, Duchene easily > Eberle. Nope, next.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Barrie = RNH, Duchene easily > Eberle. Nope, next.

Some favor RNH over Barrie. Doesn't seem to be many who feel the other way around. Even if it's only a slight edge it's the difference/preference + Eberle + a solid prospect for Duchene.

Most Oiler fans would value Jones over a 2nd.

The break down is more

RNH = Duchene
Eberle + = Barrie

If you're not wanting either Edmonton player I understand but the value is certainly closer than you state

 

[Avs44]

Most favor RNH over Barrie.

The break down is more

RNH = Duchene
Eberle + = Barrie

Most who? Oilers fans? That's not "most," that's a "entirely biased sample size." If I'm not mistaken, Stauffer, who is basically an Oilers mouthpiece, was pushing the Barrie / RNH idea hard this past off-season.


Even if you want to look at it your way, Duchene > RNH (what does RNH do better? He's certainly not better offensively, Duchene has vastly improved defensively and has been rewarded on Team Canada at the Olympics and WC for it), and Barrie>>Eberle (top 10 offensive defensman vs. offensive winger).


That's not to mention you took absolutely zero of the Avs needs into account in your proposal. Downgrade at centre, massive downgrade on defense, but at least they get a massive upgrade on Iginla?

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Most who? Oilers fans? That's not "most," that's a "entirely biased sample size." If I'm not mistaken, Stauffer, who is basically an Oilers mouthpiece, was pushing the Barrie / RNH idea hard this past off-season.


Even if you want to look at it your way, Duchene > RNH (what does RNH do better? He's certainly not better offensively, Duchene has vastly improved defensively and has been rewarded on Team Canada at the Olympics and WC for it), and Barrie>>Eberle (top 10 offensive defensman vs. offensive winger).


That's not to mention you took absolutely zero of the Avs needs into account in your proposal. Downgrade at centre, massive downgrade on defense, but at least they get a massive upgrade on Iginla?

RNH is easily a better 200ft player. Believe as you wish, I only wanted Duchene to play rw with McDavid as Draisaitl is our future #2.

I was under the impression that Colorado lacked wingers after Landeskog. Oh well, whatever.

 

[Avs44]

RNH is easily a better 200ft player. Believe as you wish, I only wanted Duchene to play rw with McDavid as Draisaitl is our future #2.

I was under the impression that Colorado lacked wingers after Landeskog. Oh well, whatever.

...They do, but if they are trading a #1 centre and a 50 point defensman, I think they need to have a serious need addressed, not a luxury.

 

[Frenzy31]

RNH is easily a better 200ft player. Believe as you wish, I only wanted Duchene to play rw with McDavid as Draisaitl is our future #2.

I was under the impression that Colorado lacked wingers after Landeskog. Oh well, whatever.

There isn't a neutral fan that wouldn't take Duchene over RNH. Duchene is a solid first line center, RNH isn't. Not really close either.

Sorry.

 

[IWantSakicAsMyGM]

Trading Barrie might not be the only core level trade we need to make to become more competitive.

We might have to part ways with guys like Duchene, Varly, even Landeskog as well to field a more well rounded competitive team.

It's not a one move fix, there are tons of issues with the Avs and their core players.

So, who do we realistically get for Barrie that makes the team better? Or, since you believe he's a luxury that belongs on a playoff team, what playoff team has the depth at forward, or on D, to give up a guy with the kind of talent the Avs would want in return without damaging their chances at a Cup?

 

[WannabeFinn]

From CBJ would offer Savard for Barrie. He's a top 4, RHD that's got more size and a better defensive game but still brings some decent offense. I think Barrie would pair well with Murray on the 2nd pairing and give us another dynamic blue liner for the power play outside of Werenski.

 

[Halla]

I'm sick of Barrie being on the Avs. He's not a bad player, he is just very one dimensional. He is a luxury that the Avs can't afford considering we have tons of holes. He should hold a decent amount of value as he is signed for another 3 seasons at a reasonable cap hit of 5M. He has hit 50 points the past 2 seasons.

The Avs would be looking for either a more well rounded younger Dman or a younger winger.

Make your best offers. Try to be reasonable. We are not trading Barrie for table scraps. A 1 for 1 deal would be most preferred.

Barrie didnt hit 50 pts last year...

 

[belair]

For those Oiler fans who do not like the RNH/Barrie swap, why not? RNH has not been lights out this year either. Both RNH and Barrie are on a 39 point pace. Yes, I know RNH has been very good defensively and those 39 points have come with limited role but I think everyone expected more offence from him.

In the summer, I recall reading more than one thread about the Oilers need for a RH PMD. I do recalll reading a few threads about a Barrie/RNH swap, where many Oiler fans supported the move. 19 games later and your minds are changed? Barrie would have much more support around him playing on the Oilers than in Colorado (can't believe I am actually saying that), with Klefbom, Larsson, Sekera Etc.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera/Russell-Barrie
Sekera/Russell-Benning/Nurse/Davidson

That would be the deepest Oilers blueline in a long time and one of the better D units in the league. Not top heavy but spread out through 3 pairings.

Expansion draft (8+1) -
NMC (2+1): Lucic, Sekera + Talbot
Other (6): Larsson, Klefbom, Barrie, Davidson, Draisaitl, Eberle,

Exposed:
Fayne, Pouliot, Maroon, Kassian, Reinhart, Letestu, Pitlick

I'm comfortable with that.

Because great depth at center is far more important than another defenseman at this point, especially when considering the cost. Also it's likely you're breaking up the Sekera/Russell pairing which has been extremely valuable so far in terms of shot suppression.

Tyson Barrie is a guy who needs key minutes to bring his full value, which is his offense. And that offense comes at the expense of good defense according to the OP.

So to sum it up I don't like it because of where he fits (which is on the bottom pairing IMO), the term of his contract and the excessive cost to acquire him. It's a bad trade in every aspect for the Oilers.

 

[Avs44]

From CBJ would offer Savard for Barrie. He's a top 4, RHD that's got more size and a better defensive game but still brings some decent offense. I think Barrie would pair well with Murray on the 2nd pairing and give us another dynamic blue liner for the power play outside of Werenski.

Savard is most certainly not better defensively, at least not by any significant margin, and he's a lot worse offensively.

Barrie didnt hit 50 pts last year...

1 point under. In 78 games. Was it really worth the time it took to make this post to quibble over something that paltry?