Tyson Barrie PTO

[Boomstick]

From Seravelli.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1831084229306020334

Not that it's big news, we can move this thread if necessary.

Heart is still focused on Johnny and his family.
Still can't wrap my head around it.
Tears keep coming.

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[Lunatik]

definitely thread worthy and as much as we'd like time to freeze, it doesn't and business needs to continue.

I'm not a Barrie fan, but he wouldn't be an awful add if he earns a deal as we could put him on the 2nd pair with Bahl and not worry about him playing minutes he's not good enough for ruining his development... also if he surprises and has a good year, we could flip him for a pick at the deadline.

that said, this may just be a good faith gesture, giving Barrie, a western Canadian kid, a chance to play in teh preseason and get offers from elsewhere.

 

[super6646]

He’s a fine bottom 4 dman who can help run the pp. We aren’t going to be good anyways so it doesn’t matter much if he’s poor defensively or whatever.

 

[Backlund]

It might just be for the veteran minimum for the preseason.

 

[Bounces R Way]

If he's not OK sitting in the press box half the year then keep walking.

We have enough 'good in the room' guys. This almost seems like a direct challenge to Parekh to make the team.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

If he's not OK sitting in the press box half the year then keep walking.

We have enough 'good in the room' guys. This almost seems like a direct challenge to Parekh to make the team.

.... or we're already running a thin ass D and this is competition for Pachal, Miromanov, Bean, etc.

 

[DomBarr]

.... or we're already running a thin ass D and this is competition for Pachal, Miromanov, Bean, etc.

this still doesn't make sense as is. Barrie has always been a 3rd pair - power play specialist.
If they wanted competition and potential to strengthen the d then Barrie is not the answer cause even if he manages to make the roster he will never get power play time over Andersson and Weegar.

However, what if there are legs to the Andersson being moved before the season starts rumours...this actually makes a bit more sense as it opens up power play time.

 

[Volica]

If he's not OK sitting in the press box half the year then keep walking.

We have enough 'good in the room' guys. This almost seems like a direct challenge to Parekh to make the team.

Parekh probably shouldn't make the team to be honest. If Cale Makar can spend a couple years in college refining his game, I don't think we need to rush Parekh into what will be an absolutely stinky roster.

I don't mind Barrie here.
This is to get more competition going for the Miramanov, Bahl, Bean, Henley and Pachal group. Our bottom 4 isn't going to be great; so I think it's important that they have guys in the 6/7/8 role pushing others for ice time. You really don't want the mail-in program with how bad we'll be.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

this still doesn't make sense as is. Barrie has always been a 3rd pair - power play specialist.
If they wanted competition and potential to strengthen the d then Barrie is not the answer cause even if he manages to make the roster he will never get power play time over Andersson and Weegar.

However, what if there are legs to the Andersson being moved before the season starts rumours...this actually makes a bit more sense as it opens up power play time.

I think you're missing the point. We currently have two fully known assets in Andersson and Weegar.

Bahl and Bean are probably the next most known factors, and they're currently bottom pairing. Miromanov, Pachal, Hanley are bottom pairing or fringe NHL guys, or question marks.

Even if Barrie is as you describe, he still challenges all but probably Bahl of this group for a regular job.

This is insurance in case our already threadbare defense doesn't look great in camp.

Gods help us if Barrie is meant to replace Andersson.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Parekh probably shouldn't make the team to be honest. If Cale Makar can spend a couple years in college refining his game, I don't think we need to rush Parekh into what will be an absolutely stinky roster.

I don't mind Barrie here.
This is to get more competition going for the Miramanov, Bahl, Bean, Henley and Pachal group. Our bottom 4 isn't going to be great; so I think it's important that they have guys in the 6/7/8 role pushing others for ice time. You really don't want the mail-in program with how bad we'll be.

I agree that Zayne should not play for us this season but I think keeping him in the OHL next year for the 25/26 season would probably be a mistake. The CHL rules are so dumb, he really should be playing in the AHL this year.

As someone mentioned before this PTO does not mean we will sign him, this is a chance for him to showcase himself as well as us meeting minimum veteran requirements in games

 

[Lunatik]

I think you're missing the point. We currently have two fully known assets in Andersson and Weegar.

Bahl and Bean are probably the next most known factors, and they're currently bottom pairing. Miromanov, Pachal, Hanley are bottom pairing or fringe NHL guys, or question marks.

Even if Barrie is as you describe, he still challenges all but probably Bahl of this group for a regular job.

This is insurance in case our already threadbare defense doesn't look great in camp.

Gods help us if Barrie is meant to replace Andersson.

More importantly, Barrie has played top 4 minutes before, and as a veteran there is n concern over throwing hm in the deep end and worrying about it destroying his development by ruining his confidence. People always bitch when the team plays it safe and isn't putting young players in a position to succeed, but there is a line, you can also put players in a position to fail. Barrie can be insurance for that.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I actually called this early in the offseason, it just makes a lot of sense. What young guy is he blocking? Our bottom pair currently projects to be Bean and Pachal. He’ll probably play 3rd pair and on our powerplay (potentially our top unit). He’s also insurance in case Miromanov struggles, as he can slot into the top 4 as Miro slides to the 3rd pair. If any of the kids do outplay him which none of our guys project to be ready to do, he’s a PTO so he will just be released, or later in the season traded/sent down.

Barrie does only one thing good and he’s elite at it, running a powerplay. Nashville soured everyone on him even further than they already were because he joined a team that already had Josi of all players running their top unit, so he lost the only role he was good at. Here he should have no problem with that and could find quite the niche. For the sell everyone crowd, this should be fantastic news as he has a good chance to be a boost to our powerplay and can inflate numbers even further. He’s also all offense, no defense which pretty much sums up what our team projects to be like next season.

I think he makes the team rather easily, and helps inflate offense through being our first legitimate PPQB in a while, and we have literally no RD prospects that have to be in the NHL he’d be a wall too. It’s a no lose situation really.

Weegar-Miromanov
Bahl-Andersson
Bean-Barrie
Pachal/Solovyov

 

[Fig]

It might just be for the veteran minimum for the preseason.

Are we close to being below that threshold? Even most of our rookies qualify as vets for that rule, don't they?

If he's not OK sitting in the press box half the year then keep walking.

We have enough 'good in the room' guys. This almost seems like a direct challenge to Parekh to make the team.

Maybe? Or maybe it's a good opportunity to sign a guy and get some specific and useful video that can be used on Parekh's development later on? What Barrie is elite at at the NHL level is something we'd love Parekh to emulate and add upon, or add to his other elite skillset.

this still doesn't make sense as is. Barrie has always been a 3rd pair - power play specialist.
If they wanted competition and potential to strengthen the d then Barrie is not the answer cause even if he manages to make the roster he will never get power play time over Andersson and Weegar.

However, what if there are legs to the Andersson being moved before the season starts rumours...this actually makes a bit more sense as it opens up power play time.

Maybe... or I wonder if there's going to be some dmen out of the line up at that time. I don't want to say injury, but maybe there's a trade idea going on (Perhaps not Andersson) or perhaps someone will be away for periods of time for personal reasons (ie: Birth of a child?) they'll be rotating in and out as the 7th dman?

 

[Kranix]

I like it. He's a veteran with offensive acumen if need be

 

[Bounces R Way]

Maybe? Or maybe it's a good opportunity to sign a guy and get some specific and useful video that can be used on Parekh's development later on? What Barrie is elite at at the NHL level is something we'd love Parekh to emulate and add upon, or add to his other elite skillset.

I dunno, if he was really elite at it he wouldn't have been ditched so quickly on 3 successive teams and he probably wouldn't be trying out to make the lowly Flames. He's small, soft, and a lot slower than he used to be. Not saying he couldn't prove useful if signed but I'm just not a big fan.

Seems more of a locker room type pickup and if Huska plays him on the PP ahead of Andersson or Weegar or even Miromanov I'll be scratching my head. Those are the player values we need to keep high or in Miromanov's case establish, not squeeze a 5th rounder at the deadline for Barrie.

 

[HighLifeMan]

There have been rumors of Barrie to Calgary for a while now. Someone in the organization clearly likes the player, and it just might be Conroy.

I don't really see a fit for him here personally. I'd much rather Poirier rotate in lineup with that type of usage to get his feet wet.

We will see how things shake out.

 

[Yepthatsme]

There have been rumors of Barrie to Calgary for a while now. Someone in the organization clearly likes the player, and it just might be Conroy.

I don't really see a fit for him here personally. I'd much rather Poirier rotate in lineup with that type of usage to get his feet wet.

We will see how things shake out.

Poirier plays the opposite side as Barrie. Poirier has to worry about taking Bean’s spot before he would have to worry about stealing Barrie’s role. Barrie is also a PTO, so I highly doubt they’d have any qualms about giving Poirier time in the role, and a tie would almost undoubtedly go to Poirier who the organization has invested in. If Barrie (or Bean, or Pachal, or Hanley…) block anyone, they weren’t ready to be here.

 

[Backlund]

Are we close to being below that threshold? Even most of our rookies qualify as vets for that rule, don't they?

I don't think we're that close but I haven't really looked. There are still split squad games and most coaches like to give vets like Backlund, Coleman, Kadri & Weegar more time off in the pre-season. It's probably more of an audition for PP QB #1. If he can fill the role he gets a contract, if not then it doesn't really matter.

 

[Lunatik]

There have been rumors of Barrie to Calgary for a while now. Someone in the organization clearly likes the player, and it just might be Conroy.

I don't really see a fit for him here personally. I'd much rather Poirier rotate in lineup with that type of usage to get his feet wet.

We will see how things shake out.

I feel like a broken record but...

We have 2 top 4 defensemen. And only Bahl who might be ready to step into a top-4 role.

One of the absolute worst things you can do with a prospect or inexperienced player is put them in a position to fail. Any of Miromanov, Bean, Pachal, or Solovyov in the top 4 for an extended period would be putting them in a position to fail and risking their growth and confidence. Other than Bean, none of the have even established themselves as regular NHLers.

Barrie in the top 4 playing alongside Weegar (I don't want Barrie with Bahl) against top lines would help mitigate that.

Obviously you'd give guys some time in the top 4 when they're playing well, but when they aren't Barrie is a fully developed veteran and putting him in those roles won't ruin his future.

 

[HighLifeMan]

I feel like a broken record but...

We have 2 top 4 defensemen. And only Bahl who might be ready to step into a top-4 role.

One of the absolute worst things you can do with a prospect or inexperienced player is put them in a position to fail. Any of Miromanov, Bean, Pachal, or Solovyov in the top 4 for an extended period would be putting them in a position to fail and risking their growth and confidence. Other than Bean, none of the have even established themselves as regular NHLers.

Barrie in the top 4 playing alongside Weegar (I don't want Barrie with Bahl) against top lines would help mitigate that.

Obviously you'd give guys some time in the top 4 when they're playing well, but when they aren't Barrie is a fully developed veteran and putting him in those roles won't ruin his future.

I personally disagree. These are not 20 year old rookies with no NHL experience. Bahl/Miro are at the spots in their careers where they need to be taking that next step and should be trusted with more responsibility. Bahl will be going into his fifth pro year, and spent significant time last season on the Devils top pair with Marino. Likewise for Miromanov who is 27 years old with 9 years of pro experience and played almost exclusively with Weegar down the stretch with great results. We are also very much in a position to allow these guys to make mistakes and grow on the job.

 

[Fig]

I don't think we're that close but I haven't really looked. There are still split squad games and most coaches like to give vets like Backlund, Coleman, Kadri & Weegar more time off in the pre-season. It's probably more of an audition for PP QB #1. If he can fill the role he gets a contract, if not then it doesn't really matter.

We added a bunch of random guys all summer, so I could have sworn we had a ton of extra vets. Guys added like Frk, Mantha, Lomberg, Bahl and Bean.

15.4 Exhibition Games.
(a) No Player shall participate in an Exhibition Game which is scheduled during thefirst three (3) days of Training Camp or on a date immediately following three (3) consecutivedates in which the Player participated in Exhibition Games during the Training Camp period.
(b) Each Club shall schedule no less than six (6) and no more than eight (8)Exhibition Games during Training Camp.
(c) A Club shall be permitted to dress a minimum of eight (8) veterans for anyExhibition Game. For purposes of this Section 15.4(c), a veteran shall constitute either:
(1) aforward or defenseman who played in thirty (30) NHL Games during the previous season,
(2) agoaltender who either dressed in fifty (50) or more NHL Games or played in thirty (30) or moreNHL Games in the previous season,
(3) a first round draft choice from the most recent year'sEntry Draft, or
(4) any Player who has played one-hundred (100) or more career NHL Games.

The matter of Player participation in Exhibition Games shall be referred to the NHL/NHLPACompetition Committee for its consideration and recommendations, if any, in accordance withArticle 22.

Assuming split squad, we need 8 on each side, maybe 9 on each side for players who have played 30 games in the previous season or 100 NHL games total. Parekh and Gridin also seem to qualify as a veteran (1st rounder from most recent draft).

Of our returning dmen, Weegar, Andersson, Hanley and Pachal qualify. Miromanov is the only one that surprisingly doesn't. Bahl qualifies as a veteran.

It looks like we will have 14 forwards that qualifies as veterans. That doesn't include Gridin and Parekh or Barrie.

It seems like we're OK.

I feel like a broken record but...

We have 2 top 4 defensemen. And only Bahl who might be ready to step into a top-4 role.

One of the absolute worst things you can do with a prospect or inexperienced player is put them in a position to fail. Any of Miromanov, Bean, Pachal, or Solovyov in the top 4 for an extended period would be putting them in a position to fail and risking their growth and confidence. Other than Bean, none of the have even established themselves as regular NHLers.

Barrie in the top 4 playing alongside Weegar (I don't want Barrie with Bahl) against top lines would help mitigate that.

Obviously you'd give guys some time in the top 4 when they're playing well, but when they aren't Barrie is a fully developed veteran and putting him in those roles won't ruin his future.

I kinda see both sides. Barrie if good is a good front row seat in getting material for how to do things and/or how not to do things for guys like Parekh, Poirier etc. He's also a vet who you'd rather crater than someone not yet nearing development completion. I agree that for the second pairing, a rotation of Bahl/Bean and Miromanov/Barrie is a preferrable situation than straight up penciling a pairing and hoping for the best.

However, I agree that we need to give those players that push to sink or swim. Barrie if signed (on paper) is a good contingency plan if Miromanov cannot swim. He's a good calibre of player to pressure from the 3rd pairing and be a PP specialist. Same as Bean for Bahl.

But I also think that the dmen being penciled in aren't really fluid. Pachal/Hanley only for 3rd pairing if injuries. That means the d prospects are seriously railroaded from graduating for this season unless they really, really show up. It also means that the second pairing is by committee via (Bahl, Bean, Miromanov, Pachal/Barrie), but likely to be deployed as a 2A/2B pairing Sutter style.

I think the plan for the 2nd pairing is to throw them to the wolves. Normally this isn't recommended, but I think we have personnel to do it right.

I personally disagree. These are not 20 year old rookies with no NHL experience. Bahl/Miro are at the spots in their careers where they need to be taking that next step and should be trusted with more responsibility. Bahl will be going into his fifth pro year, and spent significant time last season on the Devils top pair with Marino. Likewise for Miromanov who is 27 years old with 9 years of pro experience and played almost exclusively with Weegar down the stretch with great results. We are also very much in a position to allow these guys to make mistakes and grow on the job.

Of any player who is best suited for second pairing...

Bahl is 24 years old 82GP last year, 148 NHL GP total.
Miromanov is 27 years old 24 GP last year, 49 NHL GP total.

Bean is 26, 72 GP last year, 197 NHL GP total.
Barrie (PTO) is 33, played 42 GP last season, 85 GP 2 seasons ago and 809 NHL GP total.

Next layer is Hanley and Pachal, but they're more 3rd pairing calibre. They're in the same grouping as the young guys chomping at the bit (Gru, Solo, Parekh, Kuznetsov, Poirier etc.).

The numbers seem bizarre, but knowing that Huska loves dmen, I'd be curious if he's going to experiment with having 8 dmen on hand (4 pairings) and shortening the forward group a little.

Bean and Barrie seem more like the type of guy's you'd want cratered on the second pairing. Bahl, Miromanov and Bean are pretty close to what they are, but there's perhaps a tiny bit left development left that's possible with them.

I get where both sides are coming from. I think Bean, Bahl and Miromanov are guys are the age where maybe it's best to force them to sink or swim to determine what to do with them. If Miromanov seriously doesn't work, I don't think Pachal is a good RD option. I see the reasoning behind Barrie as a 3rd pair with Bean/Bahl. The second pairing is pressured by the third pairing and basically you play your hot hand.

 

[Lunatik]

I personally disagree. These are not 20 year old rookies with no NHL experience. Bahl/Miro are at the spots in their careers where they need to be taking that next step and should be trusted with more responsibility. Bahl will be going into his fifth pro year, and spent significant time last season on the Devils top pair with Marino. Likewise for Miromanov who is 27 years old with 9 years of pro experience and played almost exclusively with Weegar down the stretch with great results. We are also very much in a position to allow these guys to make mistakes and grow on the job.

Miro? He may be older but dude has less than 50 games in the NHL. Let him establish himself in teh NHL before throwing him in teh deep end to drown.

 

[Nanuuk]

Personally I don't have a problem with this PTO.

If Barrie can make the squad we will have a better powerplay. That alone should be worth some more wins that we got last year.

On the other hand, he could cost us games with poor defensive play.

I really think, and I've said this before, that Andersson might be first out the door and having an additional experienced D-man around will be well worth it.

 

[Fig]

Personally I don't have a problem with this PTO.

If Barrie can make the squad we will have a better powerplay. That alone should be worth some more wins that we got last year.

On the other hand, he could cost us games with poor defensive play.

I really think, and I've said this before, that Andersson might be first out the door and having an additional experienced D-man around will be well worth it.

I don't really trust the Andersson rumor. But let's say it were true, I wouldn't be surprised if he completely charged his mind to focus on family after Gaudreau passed away.

 

[Mobiandi]

Conroy didn’t waste his time with PTOs last year. Barrie is here for a reason