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Value of: Tyler Toffoli to the Leafs

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LEAFANFORLIFE23

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DJJones said:
Ya if Toffoli went to the Leafs and Backlund to the Avs for similar returns. I 100% guarantee you Leafs are going to think they got the wrong guy.

Lets upgrade our stacked top 6 and let Jarnkrok anchor the bottom six
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But by doing that, by upgrading the top 6 with Toffoli and having Jarnkrok on the 3rd line you are better all around.

By replacing either of Bunting or Kerdoot with Toffoli in the top you are a better team that's a fact.

By having Jarnkrok in your bottom 6 your bottom 6 is better that's a fact.

Therefore adding Toffoli makes the entire forward group better.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
But by doing that, by upgrading the top 6 with Toffoli and having Jarnkrok on the 3rd line you are better all around.

By replacing either of Bunting or Kerdoot with Toffoli in the top you are a better team that's a fact.

By having Jarnkrok in your bottom 6 your bottom 6 is better that's a fact.

Therefore adding Toffoli makes the entire forward group better.
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Yes that's what people seem to think. And it's just dead wrong.

Sure Toffoli will get his 25-30 goals. But any scrub in the league is getting 15-20 goals in that top 6.

Meanwhile your 3rd line is getting caved in while Backlund can take two scrubs and shut down other teams top line. He's so much better than Jarnkrok it's ridiculous.
 
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How does Toffoli represent a missing piece for Toronto? I don't get the need for another offensive player when their issues are goaltending and defence.
 
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Oddbob said:
How does Toffoli represent a missing piece for Toronto? I don't get the need for another offensive player when their issues are goaltending and defence.
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The Leafs lost to Florida in large part because the offense dried up.

If you can replace a Kerfoot with a 25-30 goal scorer you should do it.

Knies can replace most of, if not all of what Bunting did, while not being an idiot in the process.

Then Jarnkrok goes to the 3rd line and the forward group gets deeper.

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Yes that's what people seem to think. And it's just dead wrong.

Sure Toffoli will get his 25-30 goals. But any scrub in the league is getting 15-20 goals in that top 6.

Meanwhile your 3rd line is getting caved in while Backlund can take two scrubs and shut down other teams top line. He's so much better than Jarnkrok it's ridiculous.
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How can you say the 3rd line would get caved in when you don't know who else would be on it?
 
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dont want a rental, and it depends on his asking price to resign ...if he wants a raise, i dont bother trading for him.
 
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If the LEafs could acquire Toffoli and Backlund, would BacLund be the 2nd line centre in a more offensive role or would he slide to the 3rd line centre position in more of a shut down role?

If he is the 2nd line centre and they add Toffoli to the mix, the Leafs could deal Nylander and then use some of those assets to acquire those two players. If Backlund is on the 3rd line then it defeats the purpose of trying to acquire a centre and move JT to the wing….

I see Backlund more as a 3rd line centre in a shut down role while also chipping in a half a point per game. Admirable role for Toronto for sure but tough to justify with their cap situation. In theory, they’d still need to acquire the 2nd line centre.
 

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Toffoli would be useful. Probably isn’t exactly what the Leafs need, but good players are useful on any team generally. I don’t think his value exceeds the 28th pick.
 
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I like Toffoli but we gotta be careful where we spend our assets. We still need another legitimate top 2 D-man to be true contenders. I like Toffoli a lot, but I'd explore the market and see what's available, if we can package the 1st+ to acquire a stud on the blue line I'd prefer that.

I'd rather re-sign ROR with that money. Also if Nylander can be moved for a stud on defence, I'd probably pull the trigger on a Toffoli deal.
 

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BobClarkesfrontteeth said:
They have one hole in their top 6. Depending if JT is on the Wing or at Center. IF JT is moved to the wing can Taffoli play center? Otherwise he is not the Flame you .looking for
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I don't understand the obsession with JT on the wing, the man was a PPG last year as a center

Here is an why not focus on replacing Bunting and Kerfoot with actual top 6 forwards like Toffoli or Konecy, or Duclair, or Domi, or Killorn or Garland, I could do this all day there are tons of available options.

How about we don't throw a rookie with 3 regular season games and what? 5 playoff games? IMMEDIATELY into the the top 6?

How about he and Jarnkrok start on the 3rd line for about 20 games and then when an injury happens Knies moves into the top 6 and if he sticks then when the injured player comes back Knies stays in the top 6 and the injured player moves tp
the 3rd line with Jarnkrok.

But let's let the kid gain experience first.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
I don't understand the obsession with JT on the wing, the man was a PPG last year as a center

Here is an why not focus on replacing Bunting and Kerfoot with actual top 6 forwards like Toffoli or Konecy, or Duclair, or Domi, or Killorn or Garland, I could do this all day there are tons of available options.

How about we don't throw a rookie with 3 regular season games and what? 5 playoff games? IMMEDIATELY into the the top 6?

How about he and Jarnkrok start on the 3rd line for about 20 games and then when an injury happens Knies moves into the top 6 and if he sticks then when the injured player comes back Knies stays in the top 6 and the injured player moves tp
the 3rd line with Jarnkrok.

But let's let the kid gain experience first.
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I have no obsession with JT on the wing. I did state in my post it depends if he is on the wing or center. But I will say his coach preferred to play him on the wing when given the choice of him or O'Relly after the trade. So I would expect there is a chance that he is on the wing.

Kerfoot is not even close to being a top 6 forward regardless of how much Keefe played him there. I think Domi would be a good replacement for Kerfoot if the price is right. Or wait to see what players are not given a QO like Poolparty, Comtois, or any number of other players.

Bunting is replaced with Knies. I see zero reason not to think he is a top 6 forward with his play in the playoffs. You also have a player in Robertson who needs to be given a chance to play in the top 6. Bringing in any of the players you named simply blocks a spot for one of these players. Add in Keefe's preference of playing JT on the wing and now you are blocking both top 6 left winger spots.

As for the 3rd line How about finally building one that can actually compete and shut down top lines with speed and physicality. Jarnkok should be considered more of a 4th liner than 3rd liner. That is if your serious about building a team that can go deep in the playoffs.

Spending 4.2 million and trading assets in the off season for the honour of paying him seems like a waste of assets and focusing on the wrong parts of the line up. Wait for the deadline and add a player like him for a draft pick or two. see Vegas and Barbashev.
 
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