Prospect Info: Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[Masked]

I'd never advocate for just drafting one type.

THE guy that I wanted over Kleven was Brock Faber at 44. He's a very good 1RD. But I'm no scout so that is probably just luck.

But you wouldn't have traded the two picks to move up so you wouldn't have had a chance at Faber or Kleven. Instead you'd get, if you were lucky, Will Cuylle or Gage Goncalves and Daemon Hunt.

 

[Sens in Process]

Kleven was a brilliant pick. It was unpopular and heavily criticized at the time, but we got a 6'5" top-four defenseman with a second-round pick. We should be elated.

Yakemchuk and Kleven are the types of guys who lead this team to glory. Ya just have to be patient. He will surpass Chabot next season. You better lock him now.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Dubas has followed the process you want the team to take. He is the worst GM in the NHL. Draft small your team will be small. While I think Ottawa should diversify how they pick prospects atleast they are going for an identity that wins when it counts.

Where in the name of f*ck did I say draft small?

Are you high or drunk?

 

[NyQuil]

Super impressed with his game. Trying to find a comparable in the league that he plays like. He has decent offensive instincts and is tough as nails and hits like a truck

Shea Theodore?
Parayko in his earlier years?
Pietrangelo?

Reminds me a bit of Chris Phillips.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

But you wouldn't have traded the two picks to move up so you wouldn't have had a chance at Faber or Kleven. Instead you'd get, if you were lucky, Will Cuylle or Gage Goncalves and Daemon Hunt.

I'd say at that point in the draft it's pretty random. So I say take more swings. We got Kleven and that's great but we're also a team that has zero prospect depth. Taking more shots is, IMO the smarter play 90% of the time once you get into the middle of the second round and beyond.

 

[Masked]

I'd say at that point in the draft it's pretty random. So I say take more swings. We got Kleven and that's great but we're also a team that has zero prospect depth. Taking more shots is, IMO the smarter play 90% of the time once you get into the middle of the second round and beyond.

You can only pick so many players from a draft before you start having issues with the number of players you can have under contract. They had 8 picks in the first three rounds of 2020 before they traded up for Kleven. With that many picks, doing a quality over quantity for one pick is a good decision.

 

[Masked]

nm

 

[armani]

Where in the name of f*ck did I say draft small?

Are you high or drunk?

Why not both?

It's game night baby and I cannot wait to pre-game woohooooo!

I expect another big game from the K-Train!

 

[Alf Silfversson]

You can only pick so many players from a draft before you start having issues with the number of players you can have under contract. They had 8 picks in the first three rounds of 2020 before they traded up for Kleven. With that many picks, doing a quality over quantity for one pick is a good decision.

That's fair. I disagree but none of this is set in stone. I'm glad Kleven is performing well and hopefully he keeps on growing his game.

 

[branch]

Reminds me a bit of Chris Phillips.

I can see that a bit. They both used different stick tape colours which sets me off and now I can't properly compare the two of them

 

[DrEasy]

Reminds me a bit of Chris Phillips.

Phillips had better boxing out ability, but hopefully Kleven can get there too. Kleven has the better shot though, and seems more and more willing to use it. Kleven also seems more willing to skate with the puck, rather than just get rid of it.

 

[bert]

Where in the name of f*ck did I say draft small?

Are you high or drunk?

Neither just trying to figure out how anyone at this point tries to spin an argument that the Kleven trade and pick was a bad one.

'oh i liked the best player in the draft after the 1st round more'

To

'I would have just drafted two guys instead volume selection is what I would have done'

At the end of the day there is likely no one better than Kleven in this draft picked after him (other than Faber). And Ottawa already had selected 4 players and had 4 total 2nd round picks.

 

[aragorn]

How many would rather have Brannstrom right now over Kleven?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Neither just trying to figure out how anyone at this point tries to spin an argument that the Kleven trade and pick was a bad one.

'oh i liked the best player in the draft after the 1st round more'

To

'I would have just drafted two guys instead volume selection is what I would have done'

At the end of the day there is likely no one better than Kleven in this draft picked after him (other than Faber). And Ottawa already had selected 4 players and had 4 total 2nd round picks.

Well you did a shit job of figuring out anything. I'll lay it out simply.

At that point in the draft the chance that the player becomes a good NHLer is less than 40%. And the guys who are LIKELY to be high impact players are already off the board. So I would go volume in the second/third round.

Now if I was forced to pick at 44 I would not have selected Kleven. My first choice would have been Faber. I had other players I would have preferred over Kleven who have not panned out quite so well (Hunt, Poirier, Jurmo, etc.) and some who might still pan out (Nikishin, Moore, etc.). I'm no scout. But to me playing the odds is the more sensible move. We got a solid NHL player out of the deal so I'm happy. But I wouldn't make that move for any player big or small if the situation arose.

 

[SlapJack]

Good lord, can't believe there's criticism for trading a 2nd and a 3rd that were used on players that will likely never make the NHL for a guy that would be a first rounder in a redraft. And it doesn't matter who they picked in other years or how Faber was drafted immediately after, they got someone good and he'll be a valuable player for years here.

For perspective, here are the aforementioned players' rankings by McKenzie with where they were actually picked in brackets:
36 Kleven (44)
38 Niemela (64)
54 Hirvonen (59)
56 Faber (45)

Keeping those picks would not have given us a better player unless they got incredibly lucky. Getting a #1C, #1D, top 4 D, middle six Swiss Army a-hole, and a potential #1G is as good as it ever gets for a single draft. Hell that's 3 good drafts right there which helped a ton since we buggered the next 3.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

How many would rather have Brannstrom right now over Kleven?

If you are looking for a garden gnome I'd go with Brannstrom

 

[SlapJack]

Well you did a shit job of figuring out anything. I'll lay it out simply.

At that point in the draft the chance that the player becomes a good NHLer is less than 40%. And the guys who are LIKELY to be high impact players are already off the board. So I would go volume in the second/third round.

Now if I was forced to pick at 44 I would not have selected Kleven. My first choice would have been Faber. I had other players I would have preferred over Kleven who have not panned out quite so well (Hunt, Poirier, Jurmo, etc.) and some who might still pan out (Nikishin, Moore, etc.). I'm no scout. But to me playing the odds is the more sensible move. We got a solid NHL player out of the deal so I'm happy. But I wouldn't make that move for any player big or small if the situation arose.

At a certain point in the draft, the clear talent that is more blue chip fades quickly. If you see a guy that you like and know you can move to a place you can pick him, you do it. That was a deep draft and they had plenty of capital to make that kind of move so they did it and it worked. Trading down is what you do when you don't care for what's there and think you might be able to get lucky with 2 lesser picks later on, and how often does that really work? Would be interesting to see all the occasions where the team trading down got the better of it

 

[BondraTime]

Lots of people didn’t like Kleven when he was drafted, nothing wrong with that.

Though, the takes that he was bad because he was a big guy and there were better guys who would bring more offense was dumb.

Was tons of bad reads on him, like others have said the Elite prospects nerds were way off on him.

 

[DueDiligence]

Phillips had better boxing out ability, but hopefully Kleven can get there too. Kleven has the better shot though, and seems more and more willing to use it. Kleven also seems more willing to skate with the puck, rather than just get rid of it.

Phillips was a part-time forward early in his career which was strange because he was a 1st OA. Give Kleven another season and he will be a solid D man.

 

[DylanSensFan]

Lots of people didn’t like Kleven when he was drafted, nothing wrong with that.

Though, the takes that he was bad because he was a big guy and there were better guys who would bring more offense was dumb.

Was tons of bad reads on him, like others have said the Elite prospects nerds were way off on him.

He's one of those players you have to be patient with and then you get rewarded when he starts to takes leaps in his development.

 

[BigRig4]

So good in this series

 

[Boud]

He’s taken strides these playoffs. He stepped up his game in key moments. Invaluable experience for him that will give him a ton of confidence. He was physical. He was calm. He was making good first passes.

Very impressive for a 1st year full time NHLer.

 

[Senscore]

Nobody did more to raise their profile in this series than Tyler Kleven

 

[bicboi64]

Kleven probably showed the most growth out of any player.

Fingers crossed for no sophomore slump next year.

 

[Senator Stanley]

In the end of season press conference, Travis Green says he doesn't think Kleven put in enough work last summer. So I guess that explains the tough love we've been hearing about.