Player Discussion Tyler Kleven (D) at 44th Overall (Sens traded up)

[Golden_Jet]

He's also a rookie. Poor decisions are kind of a hallmark of defensemen like him who are learning the game at the NHL level.

Correct, that’s why it’s a good idea to watch from the press box for a game or two.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Correct, that’s why it’s a good idea to watch from the press box for a game or two.

For sure. It's just worth mentioning cause sometimes people gloss over the fact that not all defensemen arrive to the NHL, as rookies, fully formed, kinda like Sanderson did.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Kleven does not seem slow when he is defending and closing on opponents but man his straight line speed has shown to be a weakness when he gets passed and beat back up the ice. Just had not been evident before to me. If he can't get back ... he'll have to make adjustments with his decisions to pinch and gap up with no support.

Part of the problem is the no support

 

[Loach]

Kleven does not seem slow when he is defending and closing on opponents but man his straight line speed has shown to be a weakness when he gets passed and beat back up the ice. Just had not been evident before to me. If he can't get back ... he'll have to make adjustments with his decisions to pinch and gap up with no support.

Part of the problem is the no support

I thought he was supposed to be the stable guy for a puck mover. Hammer and JBD aren't puck movers. Is he trying to do too much? Any way we could bring up a guy to try it? Do we have a RD puck mover in the A?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I thought he was supposed to be the stable guy for a puck mover. Hammer and JBD aren't puck movers. Is he trying to do too much? Any way we could bring up a guy to try it? Do we have a RD puck mover in the A?

I really don't think we have the answers in the A... The D depth and D prospects have been a concern for close to 10 years or more

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Graeme highlights some D pair numbers for the past 3 games


This is from the past 4 games. ; The Jensen Chabot pair has fallen off.. The 3rd pair got worse and cost us some important goals.
I am of the opinion that aside from a couple glaring mistakes these results are on the dip in defensive play from the forwards as well.
Realizing they have had trouble scoring .. I think the focus has to remain on team defense and the effort it takes to sustain ozone time and back check to alallow tight gaps and be in position. This group has fallen off the effort levels that showed they can play.

	Player	Player 2	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	FF	FA	FF%	SF	SA	SF%	GF	GA	GF%	xGF	xGA	xGF%	SCF	SCA	SCF%	HDCF	HDCA	HDCF%	HDGF	HDGA	HDGF%	MDCF	MDCA	MDCF%	MDGF	MDGA	MDGF%	LDCF	LDCA	LDCF%	LDGF	LDGA	LDGF%	On-Ice SH%	On-Ice SV%	PDO	Off. Zone Starts	Neu. Zone Starts	Def. Zone Starts	On The Fly Starts	Off. Zone Start %	Off. Zone Faceoffs	Neu. Zone Faceoffs	Def. Zone Faceoffs	Off. Zone Faceoff %
1	Jake Sanderson	Artem Zub	4	48:45	41	35	53.95	29	28	50.88	21	16	56.76	0	2	0.00	1.66	1.32	55.73	17	19	47.22	8	4	66.67	0	1	0.00	9	15	37.50	0	1	0.00	30	25	54.55	0	0	-	0.00	87.50	0.875	6	13	13	19	31.58	14	16	24	36.84
2	Nick Jensen	Thomas Chabot	4	46:45	38	53	41.76	29	40	42.03	18	30	37.50	1	3	25.00	1.32	2.78	32.14	15	26	36.59	6	13	31.58	1	2	33.33	9	13	40.91	0	0	-	28	35	44.44	0	1	0.00	5.56	90.00	0.956	9	12	6	22	60.00	19	15	15	55.88
3	Travis Hamonic	Tyler Kleven	3	22:30	13	23	36.11	5	17	22.73	3	11	21.43	0	1	0.00	0.11	0.55	16.66	2	11	15.38	0	1	0.00	0	0	-	2	10	16.67	0	1	0.00	8	10	44.44	0	0	-	0.00	90.91	0.909	1	6	2	12	33.33	9	7	4	69.23
4	Travis Hamonic	Thomas Chabot	3	10:27	18	8	69.23	12	7	63.16	10	7	58.82	0	0	-	0.62	0.22	74.05	7	5	58.33	2	1	66.67	0	0	-	5	4	55.56	0	0	-	10	3	76.92	0	0	-	0.00	100.00	1.000	0	1	0	15	-	4	2	0	100.00
5	Nick Jensen	Tyler Kleven	4	8:56	7	4	63.64	4	4	50.00	2	4	33.33	1	0	100.00	0.19	0.08	70.76	3	1	75.00	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	2	1	66.67	1	0	100.00	5	3	62.50	0	0	-	50.00	100.00	1.500	1	0	0	12	100.00	3	3	1	75.00
6	Jacob Bernard-Docker	Tyler Kleven	1	8:23	8	12	40.00	5	9	35.71	4	7	36.36	0	2	0.00	0.16	1.12	12.59	2	8	20.00	0	3	0.00	0	2	0.00	2	5	28.57	0	0	-	5	7	41.67	0	0	-	0.00	71.43	0.714	0	4	3	5	0.00	1	6	4	20.00
7	Thomas Chabot	Jake Sanderson	4	7:44	12	10	54.55	8	7	53.33	7	4	63.64	1	1	50.00	0.64	0.44	59.41	8	7	53.33	3	3	50.00	0	1	0.00	5	4	55.56	1	0	100.00	8	2	80.00	0	0	-	14.29	75.00	0.893	6	1	1	1	85.71	8	1	1	88.89
8	Tyler Kleven	Artem Zub	4	6:01	5	5	50.00	5	3	62.50	1	2	33.33	0	2	0.00	0.26	0.23	53.04	3	5	37.50	0	2	0.00	0	2	0.00	3	3	50.00	0	0	-	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	0.00	0.00	0.000	1	1	0	7	100.00	1	1	1	50.00
9	Travis Hamonic	Jake Sanderson	3	4:50	11	0	100.00	10	0	100.00	8	0	100.00	0	0	-	0.63	0	100.00	6	0	100.00	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	3	2	60.00	0	0	-	0.00	-	0.00	0	0	1	10	0.00	0	0	4	0.00
10	Thomas Chabot	Artem Zub	4	3:57	8	1	88.89	8	1	88.89	7	1	87.50	0	0	-	0.46	0.05	90.76	4	0	100.00	0	0	-	0	0	-	4	0	100.00	0	0	-	4	1	80.00	0	0	-	0.00	100.00	1.000	0	0	0	13	-	0	0	0	-
11	Nick Jensen	Artem Zub	4	3:42	1	6	14.29	1	4	20.00	0	4	0.00	0	0	-	0.1	0.39	19.73	1	2	33.33	1	2	33.33	0	0	-	0	0	-	0	0	-	0	3	0.00	0	0	-	-	100.00	1.00	0	0	0	13	-	0	0	1	0.00
12	Travis Hamonic	Artem Zub	3	2:43	2	4	33.33	1	2	33.33	1	2	33.33	0	0	-	0.05	0.25	15.69	2	2	50.00	0	1	0.00	0	0	-	2	1	66.67	0	0	-	0	3	0.00	0	0	-	0.00	100.00	1.000	0	0	0	3	-	0	0	1	0.00
13	Nick Jensen	Jake Sanderson	4	2:20	6	1	85.71	4	1	80.00	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	0.24	0.01	95.00	3	0	100.00	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	2	0	100.00	0	0	-	3	1	75.00	0	0	-	0.00	-	0.00	0	0	0	10	-	0	0	0	-
14	Tyler Kleven	Jake Sanderson	4	0:10	3	0	100.00	2	0	100.00	0	0	-	0	0	-	0.14	0	100.00	2	0	100.00	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	0	5	-	0	0	0	-

 

[Loach]

Graeme highlights some D pair numbers for the past 3 games


This is from the past 4 games. ; The Jensen Chabot pair has fallen off.. The 3rd pair got worse and cost us some important goals.
I am of the opinion that aside from a couple glaring mistakes these results are on the dip in defensive play from the forwards as well.
Realizing they have had trouble scoring .. I think the focus has to remain on team defense and the effort it takes to sustain ozone time and back check to alallow tight gaps and be in position. This group has fallen off the effort levels that showed they can play.

	Player	Player 2	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	FF	FA	FF%	SF	SA	SF%	GF	GA	GF%	xGF	xGA	xGF%	SCF	SCA	SCF%	HDCF	HDCA	HDCF%	HDGF	HDGA	HDGF%	MDCF	MDCA	MDCF%	MDGF	MDGA	MDGF%	LDCF	LDCA	LDCF%	LDGF	LDGA	LDGF%	On-Ice SH%	On-Ice SV%	PDO	Off. Zone Starts	Neu. Zone Starts	Def. Zone Starts	On The Fly Starts	Off. Zone Start %	Off. Zone Faceoffs	Neu. Zone Faceoffs	Def. Zone Faceoffs	Off. Zone Faceoff %
1	Jake Sanderson	Artem Zub	4	48:45	41	35	53.95	29	28	50.88	21	16	56.76	0	2	0.00	1.66	1.32	55.73	17	19	47.22	8	4	66.67	0	1	0.00	9	15	37.50	0	1	0.00	30	25	54.55	0	0	-	0.00	87.50	0.875	6	13	13	19	31.58	14	16	24	36.84
2	Nick Jensen	Thomas Chabot	4	46:45	38	53	41.76	29	40	42.03	18	30	37.50	1	3	25.00	1.32	2.78	32.14	15	26	36.59	6	13	31.58	1	2	33.33	9	13	40.91	0	0	-	28	35	44.44	0	1	0.00	5.56	90.00	0.956	9	12	6	22	60.00	19	15	15	55.88
3	Travis Hamonic	Tyler Kleven	3	22:30	13	23	36.11	5	17	22.73	3	11	21.43	0	1	0.00	0.11	0.55	16.66	2	11	15.38	0	1	0.00	0	0	-	2	10	16.67	0	1	0.00	8	10	44.44	0	0	-	0.00	90.91	0.909	1	6	2	12	33.33	9	7	4	69.23
4	Travis Hamonic	Thomas Chabot	3	10:27	18	8	69.23	12	7	63.16	10	7	58.82	0	0	-	0.62	0.22	74.05	7	5	58.33	2	1	66.67	0	0	-	5	4	55.56	0	0	-	10	3	76.92	0	0	-	0.00	100.00	1.000	0	1	0	15	-	4	2	0	100.00
5	Nick Jensen	Tyler Kleven	4	8:56	7	4	63.64	4	4	50.00	2	4	33.33	1	0	100.00	0.19	0.08	70.76	3	1	75.00	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	2	1	66.67	1	0	100.00	5	3	62.50	0	0	-	50.00	100.00	1.500	1	0	0	12	100.00	3	3	1	75.00
6	Jacob Bernard-Docker	Tyler Kleven	1	8:23	8	12	40.00	5	9	35.71	4	7	36.36	0	2	0.00	0.16	1.12	12.59	2	8	20.00	0	3	0.00	0	2	0.00	2	5	28.57	0	0	-	5	7	41.67	0	0	-	0.00	71.43	0.714	0	4	3	5	0.00	1	6	4	20.00
7	Thomas Chabot	Jake Sanderson	4	7:44	12	10	54.55	8	7	53.33	7	4	63.64	1	1	50.00	0.64	0.44	59.41	8	7	53.33	3	3	50.00	0	1	0.00	5	4	55.56	1	0	100.00	8	2	80.00	0	0	-	14.29	75.00	0.893	6	1	1	1	85.71	8	1	1	88.89
8	Tyler Kleven	Artem Zub	4	6:01	5	5	50.00	5	3	62.50	1	2	33.33	0	2	0.00	0.26	0.23	53.04	3	5	37.50	0	2	0.00	0	2	0.00	3	3	50.00	0	0	-	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	0.00	0.00	0.000	1	1	0	7	100.00	1	1	1	50.00
9	Travis Hamonic	Jake Sanderson	3	4:50	11	0	100.00	10	0	100.00	8	0	100.00	0	0	-	0.63	0	100.00	6	0	100.00	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	3	2	60.00	0	0	-	0.00	-	0.00	0	0	1	10	0.00	0	0	4	0.00
10	Thomas Chabot	Artem Zub	4	3:57	8	1	88.89	8	1	88.89	7	1	87.50	0	0	-	0.46	0.05	90.76	4	0	100.00	0	0	-	0	0	-	4	0	100.00	0	0	-	4	1	80.00	0	0	-	0.00	100.00	1.000	0	0	0	13	-	0	0	0	-
11	Nick Jensen	Artem Zub	4	3:42	1	6	14.29	1	4	20.00	0	4	0.00	0	0	-	0.1	0.39	19.73	1	2	33.33	1	2	33.33	0	0	-	0	0	-	0	0	-	0	3	0.00	0	0	-	-	100.00	1.00	0	0	0	13	-	0	0	1	0.00
12	Travis Hamonic	Artem Zub	3	2:43	2	4	33.33	1	2	33.33	1	2	33.33	0	0	-	0.05	0.25	15.69	2	2	50.00	0	1	0.00	0	0	-	2	1	66.67	0	0	-	0	3	0.00	0	0	-	0.00	100.00	1.000	0	0	0	3	-	0	0	1	0.00
13	Nick Jensen	Jake Sanderson	4	2:20	6	1	85.71	4	1	80.00	3	0	100.00	0	0	-	0.24	0.01	95.00	3	0	100.00	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	2	0	100.00	0	0	-	3	1	75.00	0	0	-	0.00	-	0.00	0	0	0	10	-	0	0	0	-
14	Tyler Kleven	Jake Sanderson	4	0:10	3	0	100.00	2	0	100.00	0	0	-	0	0	-	0.14	0	100.00	2	0	100.00	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	1	0	100.00	0	0	-	-	-	-	0	0	0	5	-	0	0	0	-

Chabot sucks. Who knew?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

Kleven needs to watch from pressbox for a game or 2. Too many poor decisions lately.

I agree but we don't really have anyone to slot in at LD. He's been bad lately but he's also being asked to carry a pairing (whether it's JBD or Hamonic) and that's not a reasonable expectation for him. Our third pairing was always an issue and Kleven having some rookie struggles has just amplified that and it's costing us goals pretty regularly.

We should have either got an experienced LD to platoon with Kleven or upgraded on our 3RD to take some pressure off of him. He'll bounce back but seeing the game from the outside would help right now, IMO.

 

[BigRig4]

Kleven does not seem slow when he is defending and closing on opponents but man his straight line speed has shown to be a weakness when he gets passed and beat back up the ice. Just had not been evident before to me. If he can't get back ... he'll have to make adjustments with his decisions to pinch and gap up with no support.

Part of the problem is the no support

It sucks cause he started so well. Not sure what happened to him the last 5 games - although you could ask that same question of almost everyone.

 

[Larionov]

In hindsight, walking away from Brannstrom might not have been the most savvy move Staios ever made. Branny isn't winning the Norris, but he could have been a stable LHD on the third pairing while Kleven learned the pro game in Belleville. Now we are faced with a situation where we will have to either give up an asset to find a veteran LHD, or scour the waiver wire for one. Not ideal. Bottom line is that Kleven is getting caved in out there, and rolling him out every night without another option for that spot is management malpractice...

 

[DrEasy]

In hindsight, walking away from Brannstrom might not have been the most savvy move Staios ever made. Branny isn't winning the Norris, but he could have been a stable LHD on the third pairing while Kleven learned the pro game in Belleville. Now we are faced with a situation where we will have to either give up an asset to find a veteran LHD, or scour the waiver wire for one. Not ideal. Bottom line is that Kleven is getting caved in out there, and rolling him out every night without another option for that spot is management malpractice...

In hindsight?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

In hindsight, walking away from Brannstrom might not have been the most savvy move Staios ever made. Branny isn't winning the Norris, but he could have been a stable LHD on the third pairing while Kleven learned the pro game in Belleville. Now we are faced with a situation where we will have to either give up an asset to find a veteran LHD, or scour the waiver wire for one. Not ideal. Bottom line is that Kleven is getting caved in out there, and rolling him out every night without another option for that spot is management malpractice...

We could have extended Brannstrom before his QO was due for less than his QO (assuming he would have accepted), but he clearly wasn't in the plans. He would have been helpful to have right now, much like he's helping the Canucks but I don't think our management ever really entertained the idea.

He wasn't the only option though. Instead of signing a player like Cousins I would have preferred some experienced D depth at the end of the FA period.