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So uh, this guy really isn’t it. It seemed like a nice get at the time but he contributes nothing offensively and isn’t really that good defensively.
Ty Emberson
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He reminds me of a slightly more mobile Ceci. He's the 7th guy in the playoffs as far as I'm concerned.
Pip
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He’s had some good stretches but his play is falling apart down the stretch. I still think there could be a useful player here but Stecher is a much better option at the moment.
McHelpus
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RD are very hard to come by. This is basically his first full season and he hasn't been horrible. I believe he has value around the league. Heck we got Foegele for Ethan Bear.
MessierII
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He’s fallen off as the season has gone on. Still was solid the first 50ish games. He’s a young guy I would invest in.
McShogun99
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lol at anyone who tried to argue ceci is a good D.
I'll take Emberson + 2m in cap over that crayon eating Ceci.
Agreed, and its a plus that the coach doesnt have Ceci to force onto Nurse now.
So we essentially got Nurse back and a cheap 3rd pairing guy.
21 minutes a night in Dallas and +17 in 24 games
We needed to clear salary with Ceci. He had to go. But Oiler fans who tried (and some seemingly continue to try) that Emberson wasn’t a massive downgrade are out to lunch.
McDNicks17
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Maybe I was just sick of Ceci, but even last year I thought Stecher was an immediate improvement on Ceci when Stecher replaced him for a couple games after the trade deadline. I feel like that's still the case, even with Stecher being small and highly pushable off pucks. So I feel like we're better off with Stecher being in Ceci's spot, where as Emberson is a 7th D...though I wish we brought in Dumoulin or Carlo so that Stecher was the 7th (but I guess paying "free" John Klingberg and Josh Brown a combined 2.75 million made that a bit difficult).
Chet Manley
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Looks like a passable #6RD with a bit of maturing yet to come. Guess that's why they got Klingberg and then Walman... keep Emerson and Stretcher fighting for it. I'm pretty disappointed with all of them as a #4RD... all we needed was someone to complement Nurse FFS.
Young ripening banana player with only 100 games under his belt. Getting exposed a bit as the season and pace of play nears its peak but there’s a decent 6/7 defensive defenceman in there. However Oilers aren’t in green banana phase and Stetcher probably draws in come playoff time.
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He's probably a worse defenseman than Ceci and has played like absolute garbage lately, but Emberson at <1 million is still a far better use of our money than Ceci at 3.25 million.
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instead of Emberson we should have just trade Ceci for Walman (w/ retention) and saved ourselves a good pick. (#hindsight)
SJ didn't want to trade Walman then, Bowman(according to him in a recent interview) apparently spent all year nagging Grier to trade the defenseman to the Oilers.
McFlyingV
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Pretty much this. There's some nice attributes to his game, but also some areas he's starting to get exposed on (some bad pinches lately and getting turnstiled by speedy forwards). At 100 games NHL experience and 24 years old he's a player I'd hold onto and give the opportunity to grow the next 2 seasons. He's never played 70 games in a season, and I think the NHL grind has played a toll on him.
As long as his contract is cheap I see zero reason to give up on this player into next year, but I agree with many that I'd have him as the #7 come playoff time.
McFlyingV
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You're disappointed with Walman? He's been great and will be Nurses partner come playoff time once Ekholm is back.
Behind Enemy Lines
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Emberson's stabilizing as an NHL #6-7 d-man with some okay attributes to PK, play with some physicality, and skates pretty well. Though he was wildly overhyped as a #4 guy on basis of a 30 game sample on the worst NHL team in the league. I don't see the offensive upside to be a #4 but if he keeps his salary expectations realistic he can be a decent third pair guy.
Dallas, one of the elite teams in the league, and a very good draft and development organization moved early to add two veteran mid roster NHL veterans to enhance their depth. For his paycheque, Ceci doesn't add splash but is trusted by coaching staffs to play big minutes tilted heavily in defensive zone situations. In Dallas, that looks like EV 66% d-zone and EV 34% o-zone (455 of 495.7 total), and all situation play he runs 67.8 d-zone and 32.2 o-zone on basis of his heavy PK work. That PK is operating at NHL #2 effectiveness at 84.6% (though Dallas has been strong in this function). Still, based on deployment usage Ceci typically starts his shifts in a hole yet drops 20:32 toi avg (18:47 EV) ; +15; and 7 apples in 25 games.
Solid work by San Jose to buy low on a veteran 2nd pair defensive defenseman for a #6-7 then flip him again in a first round package to a Cup contender who Edmonton might prospectively have to face. It was time to move on from Ceci but he's showing again an ability to play a non-sexy role on good teams to support goal suppression work. More dubious asset management on display for a team that had to scramble when they overspent this summer and had the market call them on it.
Dallas, one of the elite teams in the league, and a very good draft and development organization moved early to add two veteran mid roster NHL veterans to enhance their depth. For his paycheque, Ceci doesn't add splash but is trusted by coaching staffs to play big minutes tilted heavily in defensive zone situations. In Dallas, that looks like EV 66% d-zone and EV 34% o-zone (455 of 495.7 total), and all situation play he runs 67.8 d-zone and 32.2 o-zone on basis of his heavy PK work. That PK is operating at NHL #2 effectiveness at 84.6% (though Dallas has been strong in this function). Still, based on deployment usage Ceci typically starts his shifts in a hole yet drops 20:32 toi avg (18:47 EV) ; +15; and 7 apples in 25 games.
Solid work by San Jose to buy low on a veteran 2nd pair defensive defenseman for a #6-7 then flip him again in a first round package to a Cup contender who Edmonton might prospectively have to face. It was time to move on from Ceci but he's showing again an ability to play a non-sexy role on good teams to support goal suppression work. More dubious asset management on display for a team that had to scramble when they overspent this summer and had the market call them on it.
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Why is holding his ground in the top 4 on a terrible team somehow being spun as a negative?
SJ has done well though. I underestimated Grier.
Behind Enemy Lines
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Sample size was too small. He was also hurt. On a league worst team he was a top 4 but again not for a substantive enough sample. I'm not being down on Emberson, moreso, over wildly projections that he would walk into a top 4 role on a veteran window team.
Emberson's season flipped when the Oilers coaching staff wisely moved him into manageable third pairing minutes and quality of competition. Helped stabilize his game and then steadily introduced more responsibilities as a PKer on a team with bottom third penalty kill results.
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I think that he's a guy that looks burned out, out there. He's taken a lot of hits over the year and seems to have hit a wall.
TopShelfGloveSide
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Agreed about the sample size. I got a little too excited I’ll admit it.
Still I wouldn’t throw him away. There’s potential there.
