Rumor: Tulsky/Canes made a last ditch effort to trade for Boeser w. 30 minutes left of the deadline.

[UrbanImpact]

According to Dhaliwal,

Canes made a last push to try and get Boeser from the Canucks.

Dhaliwal says the details are iffy but he thinks that the Canes offered a 1st round pick. He doesnt think its one for one. Some speculation is that the Canes wanted the Canucks to take Kotkaniemi along with the first and/or that Van had to attach a prospect with Boeser.


Regardless, Boeser a was big target for the Canes after they lost Rantanen but the deal fell through for Boeser. or as Tulsky put it, "we ran out of time"

https://canucksarmy.com/news/dhaliwal-carolina-hurricanes-offered-vancouver-canucks-1st-round-pick-boeser-final-half-hour-nhl-trade-deadline

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Trading KK now wouldn't have made sense, considering that Stankoven hasn't yet proven that he can play center in the NHL. With the Rantanen cap hit dealt, the Canes could've fit the Boeser contract at 50% retained. I wouldn't be shocked if the Canes offered one of Dallas's 1st round picks.

 

[Unspecified]

Sounds like a Carolina is the only one to blame since the Rantanen deal was pretty much done when the TDL started. They had ample time to facilitate this other than 30 minutes until the TDL was over.

 

[spockBokk]

Makes sense from a need perspective, but not from a depth perspective.

They have 3 legitimate NHL Cs after giving up Drury in Aho, Staal and Kotkaniemi. Say what you will about Kotkaniemi, but he is a decent 3C, contract aside. Unless they expected Stankoven at 5’8” to shift to C, it doesn’t make sense to be rid of Kotkaniemi without a direct replacement. (Edit - they do now have Jankowski too as a C, but point still stands)

One of their 1sts makes sense, but I think they’d want to avoid another rental situation. I’d think they’d want some assurances they could keep him if giving up a 1st, especially after going through the Rantanen fiasco. Maybe something like that was the holdup or perhaps the Canes wanted a high end prospect to mitigate the rental risk.

The Canes could use a Boeser, certainly now that Svechnikov is out for an uncertain period of time. I’d imagine Boeser is a target come 7/1.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Trading KK now wouldn't have made sense, considering that Stankoven hasn't yet proven that he can play center in the NHL. With the Rantanen cap hit dealt, the Canes could've fit the Boeser contract at 50% retained. I wouldn't be shocked if the Canes offered one of Dallas's 1st round picks.

Highly doubt he ever plays C in the NHL.

 

[spockBokk]

Sounds like a Carolina is the only one to blame since the Rantanen deal was pretty much done when the TDL started. They had ample time to facilitate this other than 30 minutes until the TDL was over.

They didn’t have the cap space to take on anyone until the Rantanen trade was finalized

 

[UrbanImpact]

Trading KK now wouldn't have made sense, considering that Stankoven hasn't yet proven that he can play center in the NHL. With the Rantanen cap hit dealt, the Canes could've fit the Boeser contract at 50% retained. I wouldn't be shocked if the Canes offered one of Dallas's 1st round picks.

Allvin is not a fan of Boeser. Has tried to trade him multiple times over the last couple of years. Even gave permission for Brock's agent to seek a trade.

There's no way the Canes offered a 1 for 1 of 1st for Boeser. Allvin would have accepted that so fast and flipped that first.

Both Allvin and Friendman confirmed that there was no 1st round pick offered for Boeser.


Thats why at the very most, if somehow a first was offered then there would be a downer part of it like attaching KK to the first or a prospect with Boeser.

 

[Dr Pepper]

After the Rantanen deal was finalized I'd heard rumours that part of that return was in talks for a second deal.

Was sort of hoping that second deal would involve flipping Stankoven to Vancouver, but no dice.

 

[dirtydanglez]

i feel bad for carolina. they are always in the mix but it just never seems to work out right.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Allvin is not a fan of Boeser. Has tried to trade him multiple times over the last couple of years. Even gave permission for Brock's agent to seek a trade.

There's no way the Canes offered a 1 for 1 of 1st for Boeser. Allvin would have accepted that so fast and flipped that first.

Both Allvin and Friendman confirmed that there was no 1st round pick offered for Boeser.


Thats why at the very most, if somehow a first was offered then there would be a downer part of it like attaching KK to the first or a prospect with Boeser.

It was almost certainly the latter. KK may not be an ideal 2C, but he is a very good 3C and we needed to keep him considering the current makeup.

 

[unicornpig]

should have had a deal in place once the rantanen deal was done.

 

[StreetHawk]

Van was likely just looking for Boeser (retained) for a pick (1st). Then Carolina wanted to make it a bigger deal, and it just didn't make sense to aim to put that together at the last minute.

But, if Carolina is looking to move KK for a UFA to be, that doesn't bode well for KK's time in Carolina. Brock, unlikely to get the max term of 8 years so he'd likely hit UFA to see what he can get. Van last reported offered him $8 mill per over 5 years, so $40 mill total.

 

[UrbanImpact]

It was almost certainly the latter. KK may not be an ideal 2C, but he is a very good 3C and we needed to keep him considering the current makeup.

That makes sense, then likely the offer was something like

1st

for

Boeser + Mynio

or something like that.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Actually insane that Carolina’s GM still has a job

 

[Unspecified]

They didn’t have the cap space to take on anyone until the Rantanen trade was finalized

It was finalized pretty early on

 

[spockBokk]

It was finalized pretty early on

It was contingent on Rantanen agreeing to $12M aav, which he he didn’t until quite close to the deadline

 

[Siludin]

Kotkaniemi is a BIT overpaid but Canucks are shallow at C right now.
But they are probably trying to re-sign Pius Suter and he is asking for less than Kotkaniemi, and didn't want to muddle the team's salary structure.

 

[BonMorrison]

If this trade went through, the Canes centre depth going into the playoffs would've been:

Aho
Staal
Jankowski
Jost

Bruh.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Kotkaniemi is a BIT overpaid but Canucks are shallow at C right now.
But they are probably trying to re-sign Pius Suter and he is asking for less than Kotkaniemi, and didn't want to muddle the team's salary structure.

KK is signed for 5 more years after this year.

I think the Canucks didnt want him as part of the trade because they want as much cap space to go big game hunting at the draft and free agency.

 

[Unspecified]

It was contingent on Rantanen agreeing to $12M aav, which he he didn’t until quite close to the deadline

What is your definition of "close to the deadline", if its a few hours then sure it was close.

 

[spockBokk]

What is your definition of "close to the deadline", if its a few hours then sure it was close.

Can’t execute another trade if you don’t have the necessary cap space, not sure how that’s not getting through here

They were still “closing in” on the extension at 12:30pm et based on a Friedman tweet, working out contract details takes time, in this case too much time

 

[The Nuge]

Seems kind of stupid for Vancouver to turn that down unless they think Boeser’s extending. Even having to take on KK isn’t a huge deal when you look at their roster, and getting a 1st instead of nothing for Boeser is huge. Pettersson/Chytil/KK is a pretty solid top 9, and they’d still have like 9 million to try and go land a guy like Ehlers

 

[Unspecified]

Can’t execute another trade if you don’t have the necessary cap space, not sure how that’s not getting through here

You could have the pieces in place so when the deal is finalized you pull the trigger. It happens all the time in every sport. What likely happened is the Canes management sat on their hands or were looking for something else and when that fell through they swerved to Boeser in the dying minutes so yes this is on the Canes as stated originally

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

If I were Vancouver I'd be pissed at Carolina over this. What Boeser deal did they turn down from other suitors?

 

[Three On Zero]

Seems kind of stupid for Vancouver to turn that down unless they think Boeser’s extending. Even having to take on KK isn’t a huge deal when you look at their roster, and getting a 1st instead of nothing for Boeser is huge. Pettersson/Chytil/KK is a pretty solid top 9, and they’d still have like 9 million to try and go land a guy like Ehlers

KK + pick for Boeser + prospect is a terrible deal for Vancouver. Would rather lose Boeser for nothing than be stuck with KK