TSN: TSN Blackouts - Mendes wants your feedback

[Stylizer1]

To be honest I haven't had a Sens blackout in nearly 15 years.

 

[Cosmix]

I don't have any blackout issues for Ottawa Senators games because I live in Ottawa and subscribe to both TSN and Sportsnet services. I am on Bell Fibe service.

 

[TeamRenzo]

Not sure what he can do about it, unless he’s gonna propose that they have their own streaming platform and sell directly to fans like the Dallas Stars are doing.

I would gladly pay for an Ottawa Sens streaming platform

 

[Tuna99]

Also ask why the feed dies 3 times a period, Sportsnet feed is worse. But the game feeds they are providing us at home with TSN and Sports subscriptions is crap, stream dies at least every 15 minutes. Gets so bad I go to Team1200 sometimes

 

[Masked]

If you want guaranteed good feeds for Senators games, subscribe to TSN and Sportsnet as Prime Video add-ons.

 

[Tuna99]

This

If you want guaranteed good feeds for Senators games, subscribe to TSN and Sportsnet as Prime Video add-ons.

Thosee feeds suck though. You get all the games but the streams are weak and feels like a Russian-Stream from back in the day.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Could you give us a coles notes of the thread please?

many

 

[Micklebot]

This

Thosee feeds suck though. You get all the games but the streams are weak and feels like a Russian-Stream from back in the day.

Every time I've watched a hockey game on prime it's been flawless, is it somehow different when using a SN or TSN subscription through prime?

 

[Tuna99]

Every time I've watched a hockey game on prime it's been flawless, is it somehow different when using a SN or TSN subscription through prime?

I go direct through the website app and it’s terrible, might do the Prime thing, thanks for the tip.

 

[Qward]

I think @Icelevel means in general. I've wondered this too.

Because no one has cared before. Mendes actually cares about Sens fans and wants to make this a better experience for all of us.

 

[Micklebot]

I go direct through the website app and it’s terrible, might do the Prime thing, thanks for the tip.

I've never done prime with the TSN or SN package, but they occasionally have feature games they'd show as part of the basic prime account, it would just be the SN feed of HNIC or whatever, but always great quality for me. I watched one of the Monday night games on prime too and it was perfect too.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I use an IP service that is an agent of Distributel ; Dristributel is part of Bell and the server is in Toronto - Outside the Sen Viewing area.
The IP Service I use is in the Sen Viewing Area; If I lookup locaton details I confirm this.
I use NordVPN and I connect to a Server in the Sen Viewing Area; If I look up location details I confirm this

I get blacked out by Bell on TSN5

-- I have a couple good work arounds so I can watch.

But this is a Bell issue recognizing I am some how via their server in Toronto and using that to black me out..

 

[Icelevel]

Because this is the first year he has worked FOR the team?

I don’t mean by Ian specifically. I mean by anyone.

If you want guaranteed good feeds for Senators games, subscribe to TSN and Sportsnet as Prime Video add-ons.

How does this work?
If you are a prime subscriber then you add tsn and/or sportsnet? It costs extra? (I know I can check into it myself but….. )

 

[Micklebot]

I don’t mean by Ian specifically. I mean by anyone.


How does this work?
If you are a prime subscriber then you add tsn and/or sportsnet? It costs extra?

$20 a month each to add them as a channel on prime, might be able to do a yearly discounted price idk.

 

[Icelevel]

$20 a month each to add them as a channel on prime, might be able to do a yearly discounted price idk.

Oh ok. That’s too much compared to what I have now.

 

[Beech]

the advantage of being old.. Simple TV.

Bell Fibe.. basic package, add a "sports sub package" and get Sens, Habs, and a guarantee of 2-5 other NHL games a week.

At 5-10 games a week, you get your fill. In fact, overkill.

 

[Loach]

What if this was a thing in other markets too? Say Calgary and Edmonton because things are being run out of Vancouver. Kinda like people saying it kicks your location to Toronto when really you're here. Or it says blacked out and it ian't. Bell could have a bigger problem on thier hands.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

ESPN+ has black out games that I can’t get in my black out region because they are being broadcast by the regional network which is MSG (Madison Square Garden) in my case. You can switch to MSG or to NHL Network if you have it (cable), but there is the occasional game that isn’t covered by these options as well (e.g., Senators versus New Jersey when the game was played in New Jersey).

I think it boils down to ESPN+ not being allowed to provide their service where a regional company has the broadcast rights, or maybe they don’t want to step on another company’s rights. In the U.S., the NHL sold broadcasting rights to Turner, and TBS as well. Then there’s a few games on ABC late in the season. It's become really fractured as far as a number of different companies carrying NHL games and it can take some time to figure where to watch a game.

NFL football is the same way as well and Amazon Prime has exclusive broadcast rights for Thursday night games while other NFL games are on Fox & ABC. I think ESPN+ might have the odd NFL game as well.

Yes, that fractured nature has come to most media now, unfortunately. Movies and shows are an absolute nightmare with like 7 or so popular streaming services producing content. I'm not a fan of the current model, and in some ways it seems more costly than even buying discs did, but it's out of our control and in the hands of our Corporate Overlords now. I've used free streams for hockey but I find them unreliable and annoyingly quirky, also no DVR ability which is a bit of a deal killer.

 

[Big Muddy]

Yes, that fractured nature has come to most media now, unfortunately. Movies and shows are an absolute nightmare with like 7 or so popular streaming services producing content. I'm not a fan of the current model, and in some ways it seems more costly than even buying discs did, but it's out of our control and in the hands of our Corporate Overlords now. I've used free streams for hockey but I find them unreliable and annoyingly quirky, also no DVR ability which is a bit of a deal killer.

Ya, things are very spread out and fractured now with multiple companies providing sports broadcasts. I’m not sure that’s of benefit to many (most?) consumers. I used a free stream service (OnHockeyTV) on occasion as a last resort when the very occasional Senators game is not carried by those other companies/services that I mentioned, but like you said not the best results or quality has also been my observation.

On your Corporate Overlords theme, I agree that I’m not sure the average Joe gets a lot of benefit from these multi-trillion dollar companies that have expanded beyond their initial business & service into other things like payment & content. Not sure what the solution is either but the average Joe hasn’t any real say in the matter. From what I observe, prices keep going up and the idea of real customer service has eroded.

BTW, I edited my previous post because I meant to say Turner and TNT versus Turner & TBS.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Ya, things are very spread out and fractured now with multiple companies providing sports broadcasts. I’m not sure that’s of benefit to many (most?) consumers. I used a free stream service (OnHockeyTV) on occasion as a last resort when the very occasional Senators game is not carried by those other companies/services that I mentioned, but like you said not the best results or quality has also been my observation.

On your Corporate Overlords theme, I agree that I’m not sure the average Joe gets a lot of benefit from these multi-trillion dollar companies that have expanded beyond their initial business & service into other things like payment & content. Not sure what the solution is either but the average Joe hasn’t any real say in the matter. From what I observe, prices keep going up and the idea of real customer service has eroded.

BTW, I edited my previous post because I meant to say Turner and TNT versus Turner & TBS.

Ya I don't see how it benefits consumers in any way really, it's anti consumer. It's just them trying to monetize the product as much as possible like they're squeezing a wet rag to get the last drop and the distribution rights being sold off in a fractured nature to maximize that. It's the name of the game now and they know they can manipulate their consumers by lack of choice. Then they all raise their prices individually. Is what it is at this point but I hate it. As a fan, I just want one service I can pay and get what I want. I'd happily pay for a service that just provides all the Senators games in one package and I can rely on national broadcasts for other hockey I watch. Just like I'm someone that pretty much just watches movies and not shows and would love to be able to pay for just that part, even if fractured on different services, but the cost of producing endless amounts of TV shows I assume is the bigger driver of their fees and baked in and they won't let us off the hook.

For myself, I'm in a bit of a weird scenario atm. I put my TV service on seasonal suspend for 6 months in July, but they usually don't actually deactivate the service, just stop billing me, so I've got my active cable subscription atm for free. To add Center Ice would require me activating the service again, thus costs go wsaaaay up immediately. The Sportsnet+ and TSN Go subs I get with my TV provider also still work while on suspend, but you can't upgrade to the Sportsnet+ with out of market hockey, which I need for TSN 5 games, and have to fully sub to that if I want it, which is $35/month. So far I've used free streams this season, but it is a pain, especially with the time difference here, and I might just have to pony up for Sportsnet+ with the out of market games.

 

[Beech]

Ya I don't see how it benefits consumers in any way really, it's anti consumer. It's just them trying to monetize the product as much as possible like they're squeezing a wet rag to get the last drop and the distribution rights being sold off in a fractured nature to maximize that. It's the name of the game now and they know they can manipulate their consumers by lack of choice. Then they all raise their prices individually. Is what it is at this point but I hate it. As a fan, I just want one service I can pay and get what I want. I'd happily pay for a service that just provides all the Senators games in one package and I can rely on national broadcasts for other hockey I watch. Just like I'm someone that pretty much just watches movies and not shows and would love to be able to pay for just that part, even if fractured on different services, but the cost of producing endless amounts of TV shows I assume is the bigger driver of their fees and baked in and they won't let us off the hook.

For myself, I'm in a bit of a weird scenario atm. I put my TV service on seasonal suspend for 6 months in July, but they usually don't actually deactivate the service, just stop billing me, so I've got my active cable subscription atm for free. To add Center Ice would require me activating the service again, thus costs go wsaaaay up immediately. The Sportsnet+ and TSN Go subs I get with my TV provider also still work while on suspend, but you can't upgrade to the Sportsnet+ with out of market hockey, which I need for TSN 5 games, and have to fully sub to that if I want it, which is $35/month. So far I've used free streams this season, but it is a pain, especially with the time difference here, and I might just have to pony up for Sportsnet+ with the out of market games.

head of CRTC: Vicky Eatrides... a lawyer. No business or technical skills or understanding of consumer behavior.

her Boss; Saint Onge (Heritage Minister) ...zero background in any of the above. Damn fine looking though.

No one looks after things Bon.. It is why things get crazy. You can have a minister in charge of agriculture and he is a city boy from Toronto, who tries and bite into a Plantain because he thinks its a banana.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

head of CRTC: Vicky Eatrides... a lawyer. No business or technical skills or understanding of consumer behavior.

her Boss; Saint Onge (Heritage Minister) ...zero background in any of the above. Damn fine looking though.

No one looks after things Bon.. It is why things get crazy. You can have a minister in charge of agriculture and he is a city boy from Toronto, who tries and bite into a Plantain because he thinks its a banana.

I have no faith. Regardless of the party in power, Corporate interests control the government too much in general for me to believe that the publics best interest is the priority.

 

[jbeck5]

To be honest I haven't had a Sens blackout in nearly 15 years.

Same!

Didn't blackouts used to work differently too? Like sens games would be blacked out only within the viewing region because they wanted you to buy tickets?

Either way, have been with Rogers or Bell and haven't experienced a blackout as an adult and I'm 35.

 

[Beech]

I have no faith. Regardless of the party in power, Corporate interests control the government too much in general for me to believe that the publics best interest is the priority.

yes, the issue is the same however.

No experience at the ministerial/government end. Easy to be manipulated. No one to stop bad moves.
And their egos and pride and self preservation ensures they do not have anyone around them with true knowledge. So.. shit gets passed and is allowed.

Walk around BC, see how much white concrete is used in construction.... Low grade and meant for decorative use.. Low cost.. so contractors get it approved and politicians are happy as pigs in shit because they keep cost down. No One knows better. And something that should last 50 years, lasts 25..

all because city councilor X on the public works committee, chooses to not seek advice from true experts who can stop it. And even worse, if they do stop it, costs soar, because you are switching to better concrete.

I use to believe in the corporate Devil. It is not he! The corporate Devil can be stopped by a smart legislator/government worker/public sector person.... He does not and the Devil runs amuck.

the Devil can be slayed, if every 2-6 years, we are way more careful where we put that X.

 

[jbeck5]

the advantage of being old.. Simple TV.

Bell Fibe.. basic package, add a "sports sub package" and get Sens, Habs, and a guarantee of 2-5 other NHL games a week.

At 5-10 games a week, you get your fill. In fact, overkill.

Way more than that. You get almost every game on that night through tsn and Sportsnet. They have like 5 channels each and if there are many games, they're all showing different games...whenever I go on guide and go through all the Sportsnet and tsn games at 7 and at 10, you probably get like 30-40 games a week or more