FriendlyGhost92
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Demko not being in top 50 is wild. I would take Demko over Wyatt freaking Johnston when it comes to building a team.
Yet you still have AM closer to 15 than 5 , who exactly is in your top 20 then?I don't have Pasta or Hughes ahead of AM.
My example was for a hypothetical NHL throw everyone in the pool redraft not a fantasy one which was pretty clear in my statement.I get that. In a fantasy draft, Matthews would be a really good pick. I don't play fantasy hockey.
No idea where you got a fantasy draft from that.I put lot of emphasis in a question like who is the best player (here it's top 50) as it's a hypothetical ranking of how they get drafted in a throw everyone in the poll for a one year league so each players team constraints or upticks gets equaled out and we are only looking at the players here not the teams.
I love Barkov but seriously is anyone taking him over AM right now?Again, it's not 10 whole spots to drop out of the top 10 because ignoring playoffs AM isn't sitting at #1. The trick is, if you've got a few guys that might be a hair behind AM for regular season play, but have significantly better playoff performances, you sort of combine the two and slot accordingly. Like Barkov, he's not so far behind in regular season offense that his 2 Selkes over the last 4 years (the window we're looking at lately) and last couple playoffs can't slide him ahead of Matthews. Fantasy hockey, yeah, you're taking Matthews 10 times out of 10. Taking the player to help your team win hockey games throughout the year and into early summer? Not such an easy choice.
There are no ifs, ands or buts that put McDavid, Kucherov, MacKinnon, Makar, and Draisaitl behind AM. They have pretty numbers in the regular season and have had truly dominant playoffs. So that's 6th at best. For my money, I'd also rather have Barkov, Rantanen, Fox, Q. Hughes, Shesterkin and depending on the mood M. Tkachuk. It's not hard to drop out of the top 10, which then, per mathematics, puts you closer to 15 than 5.Yet you still have AM closer to 15 than 5 , who exactly is in your top 20 then?
Not absolute numbers but even in groups.
My example was for a hypothetical NHL throw everyone in the pool redraft not a fantasy one which was pretty clear in my statement.
No idea where you got a fantasy draft from that.
I love Barkov but seriously is anyone taking him over AM right now?
Are you aware that he was playing with broken ribs at least one broken finger?Matthews and the rest of the Leafs deserve the criticism for underperforming come playoff time and only advancing past round 1 (once) so far.
The same Draisaitl that completely disappeared in the Stanley Cup Finals?
0 points in game #1 (Oilers lose 3-0)
0 points in game #2 (Oilers lose 4-1)
0 points in game #3 (Oilers lose 4-3)
2 assists in game #4 (Oilers win 8-1)
0 points in game #5 (Oilers win 5-3)
1 assist in game #6 (Oilers win 5-1)
0 points in game #7 (Oilers lose 2-1)
On the biggest stage of his hockey career, he was a complete no show. Same cannot be said for McDavid, MacKinnon and Kucherov.
TBH, he wasn't "healthy enough to play." I think it was foolish that he played in his condition, but there's this whole culture that promotes playing through injury, especially in the playoffs.If he was healthy enough to play then he deserves criticism for producing nothing in the Stanley Cup finals. Players are injured all the time in the playoffs and especially once they reach the Cup Finals. Wasn't McDavid hampered by a pretty serious injury during the Finals (3 goals and 8 assists)?
Lots of guys going to put up points with Kucherov and Point.I doubt that Hronek ever gets top 50 and Necas might have a better chance but I doubt it as well.
Necas in his best year so far didn't even hit top 50 in scoring and he is going to be 26 in the new year.
This argument isn't really very strong as Stamkos was 43 (he wouldn't be on my list personally) but he had 81 points last year so how exactly does Ovi stack up?
Sorry - I'm not sure whether you are agreeing with something I didn't say or arguing against something I didn't say.Sure ranking players is basically the same although one is for right now and for prospects there is a projection element to it.
Well for starts only 16 teams make the playoffs and there are often fist round losers who play the eventual SC champions or teams close to it so how would one really rank half of the league then?
Furthermore the regular season gives us a larger and more even template to compare players on than the playoffs where the most opponents any players would see would be 4 different teams.
Absolutely and even after pointing this out the posters will ignore Pasta and keep focused on the Leafs players.
Yeah all things considered he is probably 9th on my list. I would rather have the following skaters on my team. I don’t think I’d put a goalie above him. This isn’t my order exactly I just used the OP.7th-12th? Really?
Funny that he was putting up points before either guy was drafted by TB eh?Lots of guys going to put up points with Kucherov and Point.
It's funny how some complain about Draisaitl's production in the finals when he had broken bones, then justify Matthews missing most of the 1st round for a tummy ache.
https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toron...ime-in-first-round-of-playoffs-against-bruins"He suffered a hit in game four, where we couldn't rule out, and we don't know if it was a combination of the sickness, the hit, but he was presenting head injury issues, so we pulled him, and we weren't going to clear him until those things cleared, which they did on the morning, or the afternoon of game seven."
Only 4 of these have won the cup which is the only thing that matters. The top 8 should all have won the Stanley Cup.Yeah all things considered he is probably 9th on my list. I would rather have the following skaters on my team. I don’t think I’d put a goalie above him. This isn’t my order exactly I just used the OP.
- Connor McDavid
- Nathan MacKinnon
- Leon Draisaitl
- Nikita Kucherov
- Cale Makar
- Quinn Hughes
- Aleksander Barkov
- Adam Fox