Proposal: Trouba to the Leafs at the Draft (Mod warning post 19)

[Hunter368]

I understand how depth works (thanks for the explanation). What I'm not getting is the fact that by your own standards he should be getting better match ups hence leading to better numbers than what he is currently getting. Did you see what Kessel was able to do on the 3rd line in Pittsburgh for example?

Going by last year Barzal was playing sheltered minutes while being a PPG player, now it's the other way around? Sheltered minutes = less production?

I’ll let you debate with Leaf fans.....not my argument

 

[NyIander]

Your username is literally the player.

That's exactly why I said that...

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Nylander > Trouba
Dermott > Roslovic
Very easy pass by the leafs

 

[TS Quint]

Dubas won't overvalue a player based on team needs, yes TML needs a RHD but on an individual skill level Nylander has more talent than Trouba. Why wouldn't the Leafs just pick up another serviceable RHD and keep Nylander?

That asking price is ridiculous considering Trouba is about to get a larger AAV than Will in the coming months. Nylander's AAV will be a steal in 2-3 years, lets compare his number next year to the current RFA's that are about to bring home mammoth contracts this summer and we'll see just how bad it is.

You get paid what you're worth. If Trouba gets paid more than Nylander then.....

And Nylander got a good contract for what he had done so far. I don't want to get into an over paid debate but he didn't get short changed by much.

But Trouba is "serviceable" but you expect a contract in line with top Dmen.

Can you explain this?

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Dubas won't overvalue a player based on team needs, yes TML needs a RHD but on an individual skill level Nylander has more talent than Trouba. Why wouldn't the Leafs just pick up another serviceable RHD and keep Nylander?

That asking price is ridiculous considering Trouba is about to get a larger AAV than Will in the coming months. Nylander's AAV will be a steal in 2-3 years, lets compare his number next year to the current RFA's that are about to bring home mammoth contracts this summer and we'll see just how bad it is.

Re: the bolded because they haven't been able to for how many years???
If this was easy why has Ron Hainsey been playing on your top pair the last 2 years?

I disagree with your assessment.
Is he more skilled as in he could win a puck control relay over Trouba?
Sure.
Who has a bigger impact on the ice in terms of the team winning games.
Trouba.

Leafs management (contracts aside) would throw their mother and Nylander off a train if they could have Trouba.
The lack of team control past next year is the reason you wouldn't do this not because you value Nylander more.
The team has too much forward scoring power to value yet another skilled winger over the biggest need the team has the way it is currently constructed.

Maybe a team like Carolina which has more talent on the blue line then up front would value Nylander over the D.

 

[NyIander]

You get paid what you're worth. If Trouba gets paid more than Nylander then.....

And Nylander got a good contract for what he had done so far.

But Trouba is "serviceable" but you expect a contract in line with top Dmen.

Can you explain this?

You get paid what your worth?

By that logic Pastrnak is worse than Ryan Kesler.

I also never said that Trouba is "serviceable", he is a top tier defenseman. My point is that it would make no sense for the Leafs to overpay for Trouba when they can get someone to fill that hole for a lot less.

 

[Kamiccolo]

Yes, but Nylander is getting paid almost 7 mil for 3-9-12 in 30 games. I think they could have gotten someone much cheaper to put up that production.

So you think a 20 game sample size is more important than the rest of his career? He had a poor like 15 games, and then he slowly got better but wasn't getting the luck. Now he is back and has been scoring at 70 point pace for the past 10 games. Just a terribly weak argument that exposes your agenda.

 

[NyIander]

Re: the bolded because they haven't been able to for how many years???
If this was easy why has Ron Hainsey been playing on your top pair the last 2 years?

I disagree with your assessment.
Is he more skilled as in he could win a puck control relay over Trouba?
Sure.
Who has a bigger impact on the ice in terms of the team winning games.
Trouba.

Leafs management (contracts aside) would throw their mother and Nylander off a train if they could have Trouba.
The lack of team control past next year is the reason you wouldn't do this not because you value Nylander more.
The team has too much forward scoring power to value yet another skilled winger over the biggest need the team has the way it is currently constructed.

Maybe a team like Carolina which has more talent on the blue line then up front would value Nylander over the D.

I agree with your opinion that the Leafs have needed a RHD for a while, but they would not overpay to get Trouba.

I believe that leafs management would decline a Nylander - Trouba one-for-one offer, the lack of team control is significant when negotiating especially because Trouba is going to be tough to sign for a reasonable price.

Definitely agree it is situational, certain teams will value Nylander higher than Trouba and vice-versa, but the leafs would not value Trouba higher based on his contract situation right now.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Nylander over Trouba - his RFA status lowers value. also no guarantee he resigns. or signs long term.
Dermott over Roslovic - pretty obvious
I dont see why Leafs add a 2nd in this situation

also I dont see why Jets go for something like this either. I mean sure good for them if they are going to lose Trouba anyways. but I dont see how this helps their current Cup chances.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Trouba (RFA Rights)
Roslovic, Jack ($894,166)



Dermott, Travis ($863,333)
Nylander, William ($6,962,366)
2019 2nd round pick (TOR)




TOR Does this to replace the production of Gardiner (without the defensive lapses)

And another jdog failure.

 

[mitchthemitch]

Trouba > Nylander
Dermott > Roslovic
Top line D are worth more than top line F which is why I gave the edge to Trouba.
I feel people are sleeping on Dermott here. He is on the cusp of becoming a top 4 defenseman at 22 and has all the tools to be a top pairing defenseman in his prime. I like Roslovic as a second line centre in the future and I think he's a real good asset for Winnipeg but Dermott outvalues him.
Add in the second rounder and there is slightly more value going towards Winnipeg but it still pretty fair.
Don't see either team doing this though. Dermott is the future replacement for Jake Gardiner and is still on his ELC the year TOR is in the cap crunch. It's well known they aren't trading Nylander. And I doubt Trouba re-signs there anyways.
For Winnipeg, they already have four elite top 6 wingers. And with Myers going to FA I doubt they would trade Trouba unless they have a plan for a top 4 RD.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

Trouba (RFA Rights)
Roslovic, Jack ($894,166)



Dermott, Travis ($863,333)
Nylander, William ($6,962,366)
2019 2nd round pick (TOR)




TOR Does this to replace the production of Gardiner (without the defensive lapses)

That’s terrible for the Leafs...the Jets get a top 4 defenceman on the cheap, Nylander and second for Trouba who they may not be able to afford and Roslovic

 

[RandomJetsFan]

K for all those coming in here saying the leafs are massively over paying that's a ok keep that package pretty sure the jets can survive without nylander kudos and good luck in the playoffs

 

[ole ole]

Can't see the Jets wanting anything to do with this proposal and i wouldn't blame them.
The way i see it is

Trouba > Nylander and 2nd
Roslovic = Dermott

 

[Atomos2]

Trouba (RFA Rights)
Roslovic, Jack ($894,166)



Dermott, Travis ($863,333)
Nylander, William ($6,962,366)
2019 2nd round pick (TOR)




TOR Does this to replace the production of Gardiner (without the defensive lapses)

Roslovic is the only intersting piece in that package and he's not even close to being worth what the Leafs are giving up.

 

[Heldig]

Makes zero sense for the Leafs.

Nylander > Trouba
Dermott > Roslovic

And we add a 2nd? No thanks.

What is your rationale regarding Nylander > Trouba? The fact that Nylander has a long term contract and Trouba does not?

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I agree with your opinion that the Leafs have needed a RHD for a while, but they would not overpay to get Trouba.

I believe that leafs management would decline a Nylander - Trouba one-for-one offer, the lack of team control is significant when negotiating especially because Trouba is going to be tough to sign for a reasonable price.

Definitely agree it is situational, certain teams will value Nylander higher than Trouba and vice-versa, but the leafs would not value Trouba higher based on his contract situation right now.

Of course not my statement was contracts aside (i.e. forget contracts and just look at the players and team needs).
I just think that when you look at what the Leafs did without Nylander for a good chunk of the season that if you could magically swap the two and add Trouba at roughly 7million for that contract term that the Leafs would be in a way better position to contend for several years.

Trouba with only 1 RFA year left is not worth losing a signed top 6 player unless you know he will sign at market value which you can't know.

At the same time the Jets wouldn't trade for Nylander in a Trouba trade (unless other moves opened up a forward spot). Depending on all of the things happening now the Jets may just need to shed the salary from that spot meaning that Trouba would be traded for futures. In this scenario we've secured a free agent like Stone or someone and couldn't get an NHL ready D replacement in the trade.

 

[JetsHomer]

So a downgrade at D and a 6.9m dollar cap dump for a 2nd round pick? Is this a joke?

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Roslovic is the only intersting piece in that package and he's not even close to being worth what the Leafs are giving up.

This is the most positive thing I've ever seen you post about a Jets player

 

[TOGuy14]

Toronto plans on replacing the defensive lapses of Gardiner with Dermott or Muzzin.

 

[93gilmour93]

So a downgrade at D and a 6.9m dollar cap dump for a 2nd round pick? Is this a joke?

A joke would be more like Laine's goal totals in 2019

 

[34]

leafs would pass

No way Leafs touch this.

 

[I am Canadian]

Dermott is Gardiner's replacement, top 4 defense-man next season easily.

I know HF has the conception that Nylander sucks, but we actually watch the games and know that a slow start after a holdout doesn't all of a sudden make him trash. He's a #1 RW. Leafs model is not going to pay top dollars for D, our backend needs to be cheap and efficient, Trouba does not fit in here.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Nylander > Trouba
Dermott > Roslovic
Very easy pass by the leafs

Easy pass by Winnipeg as well, They don't need more wingers unless it's a #2C or something like that.

 

[34]

So a downgrade at D and a 6.9m dollar cap dump for a 2nd round pick? Is this a joke?

Nylander is not a cap dump. He has been the best Leaf over the last few weeks.

Do you want to talk about Laine though?