anezthes
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Finished with 29 in 42 after a brutal 3 in his first 15.
Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III
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Finished with 29 in 42 after a brutal 3 in his first 15.
AngelDuck
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I don’t think he’ll be a Duck either. I do think we’ll lose any trade involving him too.
I think the return will underwhelm a lot of people. Something similar to the rumored Montreal trade last year...a pick and a prospect. As an example, I could see Verbeek going back to the well with Philly (who desperately needs a center) for one of their later 1sts and a prospect like RHD Oliver Bonk.
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I hate the idea of trading Zegras, and selfishly it's because I think he's the kind of player to absolutely explode after being traded to a team that actually wants him and can give him the room to play the way he's most comfortable. Not like a top 10 player in the league, but definitely better than what his past few years have been.
And that idea absolutely sucks.
And that idea absolutely sucks.
I think everyone wants to see Zegras succeed but it is becoming pretty clear that Anaheim is not the place where that is going to happen. And another thing to consider...after next season he becomes an RFA WITH arbitration rights. That could get really messy and in the worst case situation could lead to the Ducks not accepting an arbitrator's award and letting him go to UFA status. Not saying that will happen but Verbeek just may feel it is time to cut bait with him. We'll see.
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Ya this.
Any 1 for 1 trade will likely be a lose.
Any trade for futures is going to hurt the team in the short term.
Noone is going to trade a top liner where he us the best piece going back in a package.
Another season of Cronin for Z is going to be the final nail in the coffin for him. He has to think about his next contract, and Greg Cronin is holding him back.....I mean he is holding everyone back. Cronin is not going anywhere because Leo, Mac, Cutter, and LaCombe have really taken some nice strides this year. Zegras improved since the injury but it wasn't good enough, imo.
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I just hope all of our actual cornerstone pieces will use the exit interviews to completely shit on Cronin and his staff, so that these clowns get the axe instead of trading players who actually know hockey and can -and under the right coaching WILL- be elite NHL players. While Zegras may never be truly elite, he sure as hell is going to be a bonafide top-six forward and a player that gets asses into the seats.
2faded
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That's my hope too that the exit interviews can get Verbeek to fire Cronin. I wouldn't even be surprised if Zegras requested a trade.
70sSanO
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Zegras will be gone. I would like to give him at least to the TDL next year to show that he can be an impact player in this league.
Cronin is not a good coach. But anyone blaming Cronin for why a nearly $6m 24 year old can’t find his game is delusional.
If injuries have hindered Zegras, then it comes down to short or long term. If Zegras has lost his elusiveness long term, then he is toast.
He doesn’t have the speed to avoid pressure and right now he is just a sitting duck, pun or not intended, against bigger players. His puck mgmt has been horrible.
If he is playing this way because of spite against Cronin and Mgmt, I don’t really want him as it is only hurting the team.
He held out to get more money and, regardless of why, he needs to show that he was right in holding out. So far he has been a black hole.
John
Cronin is not a good coach. But anyone blaming Cronin for why a nearly $6m 24 year old can’t find his game is delusional.
If injuries have hindered Zegras, then it comes down to short or long term. If Zegras has lost his elusiveness long term, then he is toast.
He doesn’t have the speed to avoid pressure and right now he is just a sitting duck, pun or not intended, against bigger players. His puck mgmt has been horrible.
If he is playing this way because of spite against Cronin and Mgmt, I don’t really want him as it is only hurting the team.
He held out to get more money and, regardless of why, he needs to show that he was right in holding out. So far he has been a black hole.
John
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He's a smallish, non-physical center who's being asked to be a forechecking, win board battles winger. Why wouldn't that work?
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Hoping the injuries have kept him from training properly the last few offseasons, and that this year will be different. Because if he doesn’t improve his physical attributes, he’s not ever going to be a top line player in this league, whether it’s for this team or another one. He hasn’t increased his foot speed at all, and when you look at his physique, he still has the same scrawny arms and upper body he did when he was 20. He’s got to be aware that isn’t going to work in the NHL against the best defenders.
Not that he has to bulk up like crazy, but he has to at least get to a Terry type level with some small measure of strength where he can get hit and not automatically get knocked off the puck.
Not that he has to bulk up like crazy, but he has to at least get to a Terry type level with some small measure of strength where he can get hit and not automatically get knocked off the puck.
70sSanO
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Not too many smallish “non-physical” centers are very successful in the NHL.
I’m not talking about physical in making hits, but physical on the puck.
5’11” Datsuyk was a monster because he was so strong; especially his lower body. His impact today in today’s game might be a bit less, but he is the standard of a great smallish center.
Without that physical strength, craftiness will only take you so far.
John
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Except he better not develop the Terry skate around. For me Troy Terry has been one of the biggest disappointments.
If Cronin is dictating Terry’s play then that is the most egregious coaching issue. I cringe every time Troy touches the puck because sooner or later he will skate himself into losing it.
His role is to skate the puck in, when necessary, find the “open” man not one 3ft from him, go to the soft spots and score.
In the cycle he needs to get the puck and move it and get in position to score.
Troy Terry needs to realize he is not, nor will he ever be, a center in the NHL.
John
Zegras being pulled off the PP in the last few games tells me Pat will be deciding between Z and all that he stands for (skill players) vs. Cronin.
Crazy that I (and seemingly many here) already know Pat is going to make the wrong decision.
Crazy that I (and seemingly many here) already know Pat is going to make the wrong decision.
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Ok but I’m not talking about Terry’s style of play. I’m talking about at least getting to his level physically, where he won’t ever be the strongest guy out there, but he won’t be the weakest either.
I can see several teams - Nashville, Boston, Philly, NYI - being interested in Zegras. The return won't be spectacular but I don't think it should be at this point.
70sSanO
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I hope he does. He has such a high skill level, but unless he can get stronger there really isn’t much he offers.
Teams have realized he can’t evade a hit and he can’t absorb one very well. And his constant flicking the puck around with hit or miss success isn’t helping.
I am happy he made it to the off season without an apparent injury so he should be ready to go next year. As others have said, next year will be make or break.
John
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I'm sure coaches around the league would be lining up to coach a group of guys who will throw them under the bus
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How many of Zegras flaws are similar to why he dropped to 9 ? People mention his skating not getting faster and his build. Maybe its also his defensive side of the game.
In hindsight we had massive expectations that a #9 overall pick was gonna be the face of the franchise and lead the way. Him turning into a 2nd line LW is fine. When they start drafting in the top3 they started drafting guys who are more capable of becoming elite such as Carlsson and Sennecke.
In hindsight we had massive expectations that a #9 overall pick was gonna be the face of the franchise and lead the way. Him turning into a 2nd line LW is fine. When they start drafting in the top3 they started drafting guys who are more capable of becoming elite such as Carlsson and Sennecke.
