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Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III

Next year is the make or break year, but if I was a betting man I would bet he isn't on the team after next summer.

Even if he goes back to being a 60-70 point player, I have my doubt that PV will want to pay him. I hope I am wrong, but I think he breaking out next year and signing longterm is the least likely outcome. And I think the Ducks will regret it.
 
Gliff said:
Next year is the make or break year, but if I was a betting man I would bet he isn't on the team after next summer.

Even if he goes back to being a 60-70 point player, I have my doubt that PV will want to pay him. I hope I am wrong, but I think he breaking out next year and signing longterm is the least likely outcome. And I think the Ducks will regret it.
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Hopefully he breaks out massively next season so I can make peace with whatever happens. If he gets traded it's for a massive haul, if we keep him we get leveled-up Z. If we let him go and he breaks out elsewhere... /vomit
 
LuGBuG said:
He has 9 points in his last 9 games and 20 in his last 28 coming off an injury that needed surgery with a team that cant score for shit in long stretches. Longest he’s gone without a point in that span is 2 games. He just turned 24. Tons of guys that don’t show the promise he already has that have big breakouts around 25 years old. It’ll get more consistent.
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His overall impact over the course of the season isn't anywhere near where it's expected to be given his salary and overall pedigree. He's gotta do what he's done recently over the course of a full year. A lot of players have injuries and really don't see a dip in their production.

I also don't think he's been that great despite an uptick in point production, i mean he's been better but still nowhere near where he can be. A lot of players also have stretches over the course of a year where their ppg can look good if you isolate it the way you want to.

I do however think that increase in win % with him in the lineup is a real thing tho, but it's probably more due to the overall lineup balance he provides rather than actual production in those games because he just hasn't scored a ton the last couple years.
 
Mr Rogers said:
His overall impact over the course of the season isn't anywhere near where it's expected to be given his salary and overall pedigree. He's gotta do what he's done recently over the course of a full year. A lot of players have injuries and really don't see a dip in their production.

I also don't think he's been that great despite an uptick in point production, i mean he's been better but still nowhere near where he can be. A lot of players also have stretches over the course of a year where their ppg can look good if you isolate it the way you want to.

I do however think that increase in win % with him in the lineup is a real thing tho, but it's probably more due to the overall lineup balance he provides rather than actual production in those games because he just hasn't scored a ton the last couple years.
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A lot of players when they have injuries aren’t having a groin, a broken ankle and a torn meniscus all in a calendar year while dealing with a new coach, trying improving their two way game while playing with a pathetic offense and multiple rookies/youngsters.
 
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LuGBuG said:
Not worried about him. He will keep getting stronger. Speed isn’t his game, it’s bringing the game to his pace. Opens up ice for other guys. Look how many more chances Mac has been getting. As he improves and everyone around him improves he’s providing a very necessary talent we lack. He clearly works hard at his game and it’s been brought up by our staff. Some guys just have a harder time putting weight on and having a groin issue, broken ankle and torn meniscus in a one year span certainly isn’t going to help speed or strength.

I absolutely promise if he plays 75+ games next year he hits over 70 points. Wouldn’t be shocked to see him at a PPG. I’m calling this with or without Cronin too.

If he gets moved anywhere else we are seriously going to regret it.
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No one will have 70 points with Cronin.
 
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Mr Rogers said:
His overall impact over the course of the season isn't anywhere near where it's expected to be given his salary and overall pedigree.
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Well, gotta remember he was 9oa, pedigree is different than a guy like Carlsson or McT. You get a 60 point 2nd liner at that point it's a win.

Mr Rogers said:
A lot of players also have stretches over the course of a year where their ppg can look good if you isolate it the way you want to.
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It's not arbitrary though, where you just look at a block of games with no real context. In this case you can break it down with actual context ... these last two seasons, when he's played C he has consistently paced at 55-60 points. When he's played LW he's paced for around 20.

But this recent stretch is also the first where we've seen him pace at around 60 points while playing LW. Maybe that is just an anomaly ... Or maybe he's figuring the position out finally. Guess we will see. But it's not a small sample size ... 23 games is more than a quarter of a season.

Mr Rogers said:
I do however think that increase in win % with him in the lineup is a real thing tho, but it's probably more due to the overall lineup balance he provides rather than actual production in those games because he just hasn't scored a ton the last couple years.
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I remember last year, neither McT nor Carlsson had as much impact when they were absent. So whatever it is, his impact is undeniable. If he does get moved out, we'd better get back someone with similar impact on W-L record, which won't be easy.
 
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Deuce22 said:
No one will have 70 points with Cronin.
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I think it could happen with Carlsson. If both Carlsson and Gauthier improve it will boost both their numbers on their line. Both of them could easily have 30 goals next season, Carlsson already hit 20 goals this season and Cutter could end up at 20 goals.
 
Anaheim4ever said:
I think it could happen with Carlsson. If both Carlsson and Gauthier improve it will boost both their numbers on their line. Both of them could easily have 30 goals next season, Carlsson already hit 20 goals this season and Cutter could end up at 20 goals.
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Cutter isn’t even on the PP. Will that change? I don’t see this coach dropping his vets to the bottom six. Playing time and roles would have to change for 70 points to be possible.
 
Zegras has done the things PV and the coaches have asked. It sounds like he's learning to be a professional, he could very well be part of a larger trade to get us a first line player but I don't buy that they don't like him, Cronin has gone out of his way to talk about how he has improved on the defensive side when he wasn't scoring and again in today's NHL you will not compete in a real way without 3 scoring lines so unless we're getting a clear upgrade moving him for picks and low level roster guys makes zero sense
 
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Cutter isn’t even on the PP. Will that change? I don’t see this coach dropping his vets to the bottom six. Playing time and roles would have to change for 70 points to be possible.
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Very true but with how the season is ending for Leo and Cutter I bet next season they'll get PP time together.
The Kids will have earned increased roles next season. I hope.
 
The defensive re-making of Zegras has turned him an indifferent defensive player and only an occasionally effective offensive force. I'm glad he's grinding out this stretch of PPG production and his commitment to it reflects well on him but I don't think it's a long term career path for him.

If this is his hockey life now then he needs to get a lot stronger, and even then he'll still be weaker than most. He needs to follow Terry's path, learn how to win battles despite being smaller and weaker, by anticipating, getting in front, thinking ahead, and getting to the net. Terry gets knocked on his ass most shifts but he still manufactures chances.
 
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Smirnov2Chistov said:
Is it just me or does Zegras seem dejected all the time? That swagger that he had in his game has all but evaporated
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I would feel that way too if I was being misused and shoved into a role that didnt utilise me properly.

Also possible that he saw the Friedman talk about trading him
 
anezthes said:
Interesting — how did he fare in his 60+ point seasons?
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Here are the splits from his most recent 60+ point season (22-23):

VS Playoff Teams: 41GP 11G 17A, -16 rating
VS Non-Playoff Teams: 40GP 12G 25A, -8 rating

And from his first 60+ point season (21-22)

VS Playoff Teams: 39GP 8G 19A, -21 rating
VS Non-Playoff Teams: 36GP 15G 19A, even rating
 
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All Mighty said:
Here are the splits from his most recent 60+ point season (22-23):

VS Playoff Teams: 41GP 11G 17A, -16 rating
VS Non-Playoff Teams: 40GP 12G 25A, -8 rating

And from his first 60+ point season (21-22)

VS Playoff Teams: 39GP 8G 19A, -21 rating
VS Non-Playoff Teams: 36GP 15G 19A, even rating
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So almost a point per game against non-playoff and ~0.7 ppg against Playoff Teams. I don't have the time right now but i wonder if there is a significant change in our team goals for against those two groups of teams as well.

I'm going to continue to beat this drum, Z hasn't looked as good since he came back from knee surgery and is moving his feet a lot less. I think he needs an offseason to fully heal because he looked much better prior to his injury.
 
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Goose of Reason said:
So almost a point per game against non-playoff and ~0.7 ppg against Playoff Teams. I don't have the time right now but i wonder if there is a significant change in our team goals for against those two groups of teams as well.

I'm going to continue to beat this drum, Z hasn't looked as good since he came back from knee surgery and is moving his feet a lot less. I think he needs an offseason to fully heal because he looked much better prior to his injury.
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Didn't he have the same condition that forced Couture to retire?
 
anezthes said:
Didn't he have the same condition that forced Couture to retire?
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Was it ever actually revealed what his LBI was last season aside from being a groin issue? At any rate i thought he looked fine when he came back so I wouldn't think it would be something career threatening like Couture's but I'm not super up to date on his condition.
 
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