I agree and I think I was one of only a few people who was annoyed in the summer of 2023 at how much Cronin was talking about Zegras on podcasts and stuff. All I’m saying is I think he’s got to put in a lot of work off the ice. He doesn’t look any stronger or faster since he entered the league which is incredible tbh.
Player Discussion Trevor Zegras : Part III
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Dr Johnny Fever
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I'm willing to say there's probably some of both going on there. But ultimately isn't a coach supposed to understand that and help players reach their potential? Unless Z is just mailing it in (and I don't feel he is) he needs help he isn't getting. I think he may just be frustrated (which can/will affect his play) with nowhere to turn to for help.
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Good point. I think those guys would struggle under Cronin, as well. He wants to play dump and chase, relying on wingers to get in on the forecheck. Kane and Panerin aren’t winning any puck battles along the boards, Keller can be a bit more scrappy. Z could produce more if the power play was somewhat competent.
Part of the lack of offense was him being pushed down in the lineup for long stretches. He's been far more productive higher in the lineup.
I'm starting to think Zegras is the Garrett Anderson of the ducks. His body language and play often give the impression he's not giving full effort - even when he does. But sometimes he does coast, particularly in skating. The skating skill is there, but he doesn't seem to have a high motor.
The other day he was chasing down a play and just stopped skating at the end and coasted as the opponent scored on a break away. Could he have caught the player? Not likely. But it was frustrating he didn't give the effort to get closer.
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How Cronin managed to take a player who was instantly dynamite at the nhl level and make him look like early career Terry amazes me - savant level coaching
Yeah I don’t think it’s fair to blame that entirely on Cro even if he’s a bad coach
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One thing I've wondered about is, what happens when he decides that a change of scenery would do him best. Looking at how well Fowler is doing has me wondering if that is gonna eventually happen with Zegras.
When the Ducks drafted Z the only other center with top6 upside they had was Steel so it made sense they wanted him to be Center then but now with Carlsson and McTavish they could move him to the Wing.
This. Kane is terribly defensively but generates offense from the wing. Imagine if Kane played Center and Toews played on the Wing during the Hawks 2010s teams.
When the Ducks drafted Z the only other center with top6 upside they had was Steel so it made sense they wanted him to be Center then but now with Carlsson and McTavish they could move him to the Wing.
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Zegras gets a pass from me for the rest of the year. I want him healthy going into the off season ready hit it next year.
Clayton Keller was considered a bust after a hot start. He was plagued by injuries. Tourigny challenged him to get stronger on the puck and become a 2 way player. He turned his game around. I remember Tourigny was criticized here for his use of Fantilli during the 2023 IIHF championships.
Right now it is all on Zegras. While I don’t think Cronin is a good coach, especially for Zegras, Trevor is 24 and needs to step it up.
The one thing that separates Zegras from his comparables is they are stronger on the puck and don’t get pushed around so easily; maybe not Panarin.
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Clayton Keller was considered a bust after a hot start. He was plagued by injuries. Tourigny challenged him to get stronger on the puck and become a 2 way player. He turned his game around. I remember Tourigny was criticized here for his use of Fantilli during the 2023 IIHF championships.
Right now it is all on Zegras. While I don’t think Cronin is a good coach, especially for Zegras, Trevor is 24 and needs to step it up.
The one thing that separates Zegras from his comparables is they are stronger on the puck and don’t get pushed around so easily; maybe not Panarin.
John
I have to imagine his injuries have played a part in that - hard to get stronger/faster if you can't do things like squats or sprints because of a broken ankle/whatever core injury he had.
Yeah idk we'll see.
He didn't look any stronger/faster in 22-23 and there wouldn't have been an injury involved there. At the beginning of this season, same story, and he would've had all summer.
Yeah time will definitely tell and assuming he (hopefully) stays injury-free this season, this off-season will be a big test for him.
I'm not so sure he had all summer, though. Knowing he only came back for ~a dozen games at the end of last season, it's entirely possible he was good enough to return but not quite 100%. It wouldn't surprise me if he went into the off-season still not 100% and used that time to fully recover as opposed to trying to get stronger.
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I'm pretty happy with were Zegras is at. I honestly think next year he's going to show he's put it all together especially if we can upgrade the talent level of the team more. You need 3 scoring lines
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Z has been putting it all together he just isnt doing the flashy goals as much.
Since January he is on 0.7ppg which is on pace for a 58 point season. Give him a full season and let him build up chemistry with McTavish and watch them both take off next year.
Since January he is on 0.7ppg which is on pace for a 58 point season. Give him a full season and let him build up chemistry with McTavish and watch them both take off next year.
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i don’t mind his season personally, has kinda got back on pace.
I do wonder bout off season tho, contract is up next off season…. If negotiations were not great the first time…. I can’t imagine they’ll be good this time.
Guessing PV is going to have to be proactive in offseason and figure out if he fits long term plan and if not I won’t be shocked if he’s moved to a team desperate for a center with upside (Vancouver, flyers, Montreal, Bruins, avs etc). But if you move him you need to find a lot of offensive help in offseason
I do wonder bout off season tho, contract is up next off season…. If negotiations were not great the first time…. I can’t imagine they’ll be good this time.
Guessing PV is going to have to be proactive in offseason and figure out if he fits long term plan and if not I won’t be shocked if he’s moved to a team desperate for a center with upside (Vancouver, flyers, Montreal, Bruins, avs etc). But if you move him you need to find a lot of offensive help in offseason
If they keep that line together with Him, Mac, Colangelo all a year older, stronger, faster and smarter with already having some chemistry there is zero doubt in my mind he’s over 75 points next year if healthy.
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Unless Z has it in his mind to want out, I'd like to think both sides learned something from the first time around that block.
And that’s a great second line down the road to back up Carlson, Cutter and Sennecke. We also have a lot of good bottom 6 guys in the system and d to trade to fill gaps as needed…not to mention a decent pick this year.
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There’s some thumb sucking going on here IMO. He looks pretty mediocre at best most of the time. Maybe that’s Cronin, and maybe it’s not. iMO it’s 50/50
Next year is really important for him
The bottom line is he won’t be on the team past next year barring some sort of major improvement
Next year is really important for him
The bottom line is he won’t be on the team past next year barring some sort of major improvement
The Ducks have to be really careful with potentially moving Z. He hasn’t been good this year, but he still fills a really important position in the top 6.
Definitely wouldn’t trade him just for the heck of it, his value can’t be very high right now anyway.
Definitely wouldn’t trade him just for the heck of it, his value can’t be very high right now anyway.
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My counter argument the ducks have put alot of work into trying to get him to be a better all around player and he's now rewarding them for that...I'd be wanting to keep that around, we also need more offense so how is subtracting him accomplishing that goal
I think its a case of not meeting high expectations leading fans to express disappointment (myself included). But at the same time, the ducks have played much better with him in the lineup the past 2 years even when the point production was not there.
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